Not happy with DeBord.

[sjt18]

Your complaint isn't with DeBord. He does as directed by Jones.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Pile on DeBord all you want but it's Butch's offense and we're seeing the same symptoms we did with Bajakian last year.

Your complaint isn't with DeBord. He does as directed by Jones.

I'm really beginning to believe that the "Butch-fence" took advantage of some speed and talent mismatches often seen in mid-major conferences. Mismatches that don't exist in the upper echelon of the SEC. You can't out-talent everyone in the SEC, not every year.

I don't like it personally, but it's not about me.

I'll tell you what it is about though - VICTORY on Saturday. Don't care how they do it, but this offense has to get it done. It's Judgment Day Saturday.

 

[VolForLife83]

Its not DeBord, this is CBJ offense. Notice it looks almost exactly the same as it did last year.

Yep. Butch is stubborn in a bad way and I fear that will be his downfall

 

[sjt18]

Justin Worley agrees.

I'm going to make an observation here that some of the local "experts" will go nuts over. Worley may have been closer to Jones' "ideal" for a QB than Dobbs.

The problem for Worley was that the OL couldn't give him time. He was a very good manager of the O. He threw well and got the ball out quickly. More importantly, when given time he got the ball to playmakers.

I believe this is why Jones is so positive on Dormady. Better runner than Worley but with his potential for distributing the ball in the passing game.

Right now, Dobbs seems to be holding the O back in the passing game which disallows balance.

 

[TylerFlip]

I am really curious to know why since everyone here knows the game of football better than our coaches why are they not coaching a major SEC program or running the AD office some where? With all the knowledge people on here have its extremely surprising.

 

[e-VOL-ution2013]

I'm going to make an observation here that some of the local "experts" will go nuts over. Worley may have been closer to Jones' "ideal" for a QB than Dobbs.

The problem for Worley was that the OL couldn't give him time. He was a very good manager of the O. He threw well and got the ball out quickly. More importantly, when given time he got the ball to playmakers.

I believe this is why Jones is so positive on Dormady. Better runner than Worley but with his potential for distributing the ball in the passing game.

Right now, Dobbs seems to be holding the O back in the passing game which disallows balance.

I think this is spot on! I believe that is really why he wanted so badly to redshirt Dobbs last year so he could develop more as a passer while Worley was the starter. It didn't work out that way and Dobbs was put in earlier than planned, thus we have a very athletic QB who is still working on his passing skills. All while have the pressure of being the starting QB.

 

[zqvol]

With all the talent we have on offense, why is DeBord not taking full advantage? I get so tired of seeing us being overly conservative on Offense. I'm not here calling for his job or anything, but when will we open it up more? We should have beat OU, but defense slacked off and our offense seemed to be content being conservative and not putting more pressure on the downfield passing game. Hurd and Kamara are capable of keeping drives going, but why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season? I'm just not too happy with our production. Thoughts?

IF he had an offensive line that could pass block, or run block for that matter he could do a lot more. You people fail to recognize how weak our offensive line really is, and how much it is limiting play calling. It isn't DeBord or the system or anything like that causing issues, it is the weak inexperienced offensive line.

 

[McDad]

I'm going to make an observation here that some of the local "experts" will go nuts over. Worley may have been closer to Jones' "ideal" for a QB than Dobbs.

The problem for Worley was that the OL couldn't give him time. He was a very good manager of the O. He threw well and got the ball out quickly. More importantly, when given time he got the ball to playmakers.

I believe this is why Jones is so positive on Dormady. Better runner than Worley but with his potential for distributing the ball in the passing game.

Right now, Dobbs seems to be holding the O back in the passing game which disallows balance.

I believe there is a lot of validity to your thoughts on this.

 

[deaconkane]

"Liked" your post.

Isn't it nice that we can all type out our opinions on the internet about random thought processes?

Yes, we are frustrated as a fan base that UT didn't win the OU game. Fact is, you're not going to see anything new this weekend with our offense that you didn't see against OU.

OLine play and execution was the problem against OU second half and if you watch the game this weekend be prepared.

YOU WILL SEE THE SAME GAME PLAN. OLine has to man up against the big boys and team has to execute.

Rant on!! opcorn:

Name any oline in the sec that can block 7 players, while the qb does play action every time giving the defense a extra second or 2 to rush the qb. UT's coaches isn't putting our players in a position to be successful. I keep reading on here how great our coaches are and how bad the of-line and receivers are. There are 8 coaches in the sec alone that would make this offense almost unstoppable. Against ou we played 1 good quarter, it wasn't just the 2nd half we "didn't execute". Ou punched us in the mouth and cbj laid down and took it. Our players played their hearts out and ran the plays that were called. The plays without max protect, slants and crossing routes. 5 passes total in the middle of the field in that game. Tulsa completed that many on one drive. Flame on.

 

[deaconkane]

IF he had an offensive line that could pass block, or run block for that matter he could do a lot more. You people fail to recognize how weak our offensive line really is, and how much it is limiting play calling. It isn't DeBord or the system or anything like that causing issues, it is the weak inexperienced offensive line.

Same plays we ran with an NFL of-line. Nothing has changed since day 1

 

[BYUVol]

why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season?

See Taysom Hill, BYU's quarterback that was every bit as electric as Dobbs and more important to his team as a leader. He was in the early Heisman discussion after dominating early last year.

3/4 seasons ended before the half-way mark of the season due to serious injuries... and that wasn't in the SEC.

Dobbs still hasn't played a full SEC schedule and we need him healthy if we want a chance to win the East.

 

[sjt18]

See Taysom Hill, BYU's quarterback that was every bit as electric as Dobbs and more important to his team as a leader. He was in the early Heisman discussion after dominating early last year.

3/4 seasons ended before the half-way mark of the season due to serious injuries... and that wasn't in the SEC.

Dobbs still hasn't played a full SEC schedule and we need him healthy if we want a chance to win the East.

I'm not sure that's true. Dobbs needs to throw it better. If he doesn't then UT will struggle against every good opponent.

Jones likes Dormady. After seeing him throw in games, I understand why.

He has stated a couple of times that he has "earned" playing time with the 1st team. Maybe nothing... maybe code for "I wish I could consider starting him". Either way, I think Jones would be perfectly comfortable going forward with Dormady.

 

[photovol]

Could the coaches possibly know more about Dobbs down field passing ability than those on VN? Possibly, but regardless they better get it fixed asap or it could be a long season and heads may roll......
Come on Debord show the world you can still coach and win or else?

 

[f77f00]

He is just doing what he was hired to do, run Butch's system. I don't think anyone has ever been fired up by what he brings to the table.

 

[photovol]

I'm not sure that's true. Dobbs needs to throw it better. If he doesn't then UT will struggle against every good opponent.

Jones likes Dormady. After seeing him throw in games, I understand why.

He has stated a couple of times that he has "earned" playing time with the 1st team. Maybe nothing... maybe code for "I wish I could consider starting him". Either way, I think Jones would be perfectly comfortable going forward with Dormady.

Dormady may have more upside than Dobbs, but Dormady running Jones offense, I'm not seeing it, you?
I wish I was more sold on Jones offense as well as his coaching ability, but the jury's still out on both, unfortunately.

 

[Mick]

He is just doing what he was hired to do, run Butch's system. I don't think anyone has ever been fired up by what he brings to the table.

Patsy for Jones, he could be.

 

[advancedrescue27]

I am 100% convinced UT has the dumbest fanbase

Oh Lord, here we go again! Another armchair coach.

So you are saying coaches are always right? And whether you like them or not you always pick there side if some decisions seem poor? And no one has ever watched a game where their idea would have worked better, EVER?

The whole armchair statement is dumb in reality. It basically says to everyone you can't have an opinion because you chose a career that didn't involve coaching football. On top of that you have no idea what football is. Coaches are right and you are wrong. I'm assuming you had no issue with DoDo then by your logic.

The way the world works is after any experience(good or bad) people reflect and improve. I'm just a firefighter, and general contractor on my off days. After a fire we critique / reflect so that we can improve. Doesn't matter if we did a great job or not. And sometimes outside input from sources other than ours isn't bad. People viewing something from the outside usually have a better view of the grand picture. People directly involved also get tunnel visioned and see only what's in front of them, or stuck on one aspect. Consensus is a powerful thing in my opinion. And bottom line, let's not forget this is a forum. If you need an explanation on what a forum is or a refresher then by all means ask.

Face it, whether you are for Butch or not, he is human and has faults.

Also not meaning to come after y'all specifically, just my general thoughts on people here and broad who feel that others are incapable of being right:

 

[sjt18]

Dormady may have more upside than Dobbs, but Dormady running Jones offense, I'm not seeing it, you?
I wish I was more sold on Jones offense as well as his coaching ability, but the jury's still out on both, unfortunately.

Actually, the more I've thought about it, I don't think Dobbs is "ideal" like many here seem to think. He can run. But historically, Jones hasn't asked his QB's to run as much as Dobbs has. He HAS asked them to manage the O and distribute the ball. Dobbs isn't doing that.

Dormady otoh is VERY similar to guys who have had the most success in Jones' system. Mobile enough. Accurate passer. Good decision maker. Good manager of the O. Good distributor of the ball.

Dormady made two throws on Saturday that Dobbs has not proven he can make or may even be unwilling to try or unable to "see". Whereas Dobbs has missed several open receivers on scramble plays this year. QD nailed one on that TD pass. Dobbs struggles to accurately lead WR's. QD placed the ball perfectly to PW... only Williams had a play on that ball. Even on Dobbs' TD pass early in the game, a better DB would have made a play on the ball.

I like Dobbs. I always have. IMO, all of the physical skills are there. But there seems to be some "instinct" as a passer that he lacks. He doesn't seem to anticipate so he often doesn't know where to look for the open guy or know how to throw to a spot where only the UT player can make a play.

I can't remember if it was an interview or just an observation of Larry Bird but it was said that he didn't have to look to pass because he always knew where everyone on the court had to be based on what he was looking at. Great QB's have a "sense" of where everyone is and where they will be. Dobbs doesn't seem to be able to do that.

 

[p.manning16]

my question is was it him or dobbs? dobbs was 13-31 that game and maybe they knew he was off that game what could you do?

 

[sjt18]

my question is was it him or dobbs? dobbs was 13-31 that game and maybe they knew he was off that game what could you do?

I started out pretty firmly laying most of the blame at Jones' feet for being too conservative. I still place most of it there. But I do think there are some limitations with Dobbs in the passing game that are hurting the O.

Go back and watch just one play in the WCU game. I know the opponent matters but Dormady went through his progressions, kept his eyes down field, then dumped the ball off to the right sideline for a nice little gain. His patience and willingness to stand in while the routes developed forced the D to cover UT's receivers... which left the safety valve wide open.

Dobbs doesn't show that patience. He leaves the pocket or gives up on routes too soon.

 

[Bleed-Orange]

I don't have a clue if it is Dobbs, coaches, or the line that keeps us from opening it up. I found this interesting breakdown of Dobbs passing from last year:

I don't know if the downfield stats are comparable to other qbs or not. Most of these throws were against the weaker part of our schedule in '14. I would assume that making longer throws likely means you have the time to let a play develop as well (Oline protection on those). Does anyone have these same stats for '15?

behind the line: 95.7% completion
0-5 yards: 69%
5-10 yards 53.3%
10-15 yards 54.2%
15-20 yards 42.1%
20+ yards: 35%

 

[p.manning16]

I started out pretty firmly laying most of the blame at Jones' feet for being too conservative. I still place most of it there. But I do think there are some limitations with Dobbs in the passing game that are hurting the O.

Go back and watch just one play in the WCU game. I know the opponent matters but Dormady went through his progressions, kept his eyes down field, then dumped the ball off to the right sideline for a nice little gain. His patience and willingness to stand in while the routes developed forced the D to cover UT's receivers... which left the safety valve wide open.

Dobbs doesn't show that patience. He leaves the pocket or gives up on routes too soon.

Exactly my same thoughts. i support dobbs and glad he has improved but i told people last year that, Butch jones doesnt have his QB yet could be wrong. i dont hate dobbs at all! but we do know he seems limited and thats why the defense blitz so much

 

[orange parmejohn]

I'd love to know what system works well with a poor OL? We all said in the summer the UT offense would struggle against the better defenses if the OL didn't improve dramatically.

The OL did a pretty good job against OU until the DC made adjustments and UT kept trying the same stuff.

 

[Monkey Wrench]

With all the talent we have on offense, why is DeBord not taking full advantage? I get so tired of seeing us being overly conservative on Offense. I'm not here calling for his job or anything, but when will we open it up more? We should have beat OU, but defense slacked off and our offense seemed to be content being conservative and not putting more pressure on the downfield passing game. Hurd and Kamara are capable of keeping drives going, but why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season? I'm just not too happy with our production. Thoughts?

Defense slacked off? How do you expect a defense to keep a high level of play when the offense goes 3 and out every series?

 

[p.manning16]

I don't have a clue if it is Dobbs, coaches, or the line that keeps us from opening it up. I found this interesting breakdown of Dobbs passing from last year:

I don't know if the downfield stats are comparable to other qbs or not. Most of these throws were against the weaker part of our schedule in '14. I would assume that making longer throws likely means you have the time to let a play develop as well (Oline protection on those). Does anyone have these same stats for '15?

behind the line: 95.7% completion
0-5 yards: 69%
5-10 yards 53.3%
10-15 yards 54.2%
15-20 yards 42.1%
20+ yards: 35%

so are these stats based off the throw or could it be a screen for 40 yards and counts as 20+ yards in these stats? jw