Not happy with DeBord.

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amavol2 said:
Coach speak is worth nothing, Jones can say it's not a big game but every UT fan knows it is every player knows it is. If Jones loses on Saturday, a lot more of the fan base we realize we may have more of a problem with either personnel or coaching, things will be a lot more unfriendly. What is dumb is for anyone to say a fan base is dumb for pointing out the truth!
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Your problem is that you are not pointing out the truth. You are trying to push your viewpoint on everyone else.
 
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Everyone involved with the offense (players and coaches) crapped the bed in the second half vs OU. There were breakdowns in every position group both run game and pass game, and mental errors that (for the most part) CBJ's UT teams had not previously committed. It felt Dooleyesque honestly.

I am of two minds on this. Part of me wants to see the 2OT loss to a team that blew us out last year as an improvement... a sign that even in a loss the team is generally speaking still trending upward. However part of me finds the 2nd half collapse, specifically the 4th quarter, eerily similar to 2014 Florida 4th quarter. There were so, so many opportunities to win both games and both times we have imploded in spectacular fashion.

The causes are many... blame lies with both coaches and players. DeBord deserves his share of criticism, but making him the scapegoat doesn't really fully explain our problems on offense. The next time a WR beats press man coverage from a DB (WCU doesn't count imo) will be the first time this season.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Maybe the staff sees what the players do in practice and know their limitations? Maybe teams now have a better scout on Dobbs and his strength and weaknesses? Maybe Dobbs struggles due to the fact that he's still relatively young in terms of actual live game experience? Maybe our OL hasn't progressed to the point of being able to protect Dobbs long enough to allow longer routes? Maybe the WRs aren't yet capable of beating press coverage and/or aren't solid in making reads yet? Those are just a few questions I can think of.

Bottom line is that I'm a regular fan who sees games on TV and while I played a PlayStation a few times, I'm not capable of any great insight to what our coaches or team are or aren't capable of.
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There is a lot of maybe's in this post, but maybe, just maybe he's onto something.
 
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#54
My hope is that we played very vanilla in week 1 and week 3 and they open up the play book for SEC play. That is the only way that I can muster any hope for this game. I'm not concerned about our defense, we should hold our own. But on paper UF's defensive strengths match very well with our offensive weaknesses, (i.e. line play, DB's vs. a none existent passing game).

I hang my hat on the running game, and Dobbs ability to escape the pocket. That might free up some passing plays. I'm sad to admit that last years UF game and this years OU game have me feeling like Lucky will always jerk the ball away right before we get a win.

GBO! Go get the big win that this program so desperately needs and deserves. Put an L in the SEC column for the Gators.
 
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Does anybody here have any confidence that Debord will have an effective scheme for the FL game?
 
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LargeOrange1 said:
Then you should immediately cut off your $$ donations to UT. That will send a loud message that YOU are not happy with the way things are being handled by Butch Jones....when your money stops that will get their attention. Exactly how much do you donate each year?? ( insert crickets chirping )

Lighten up Francis! :crazy:
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This one time I let the vendor keep the change when I got a burger during a game in Neyland..maybe I should ask for my change back?

I know it's wary in the year, I know we have personnel issues, I know my opinion doesn't matter to the players or to the coaches..something about the offense just doesn't gel. Watch tape from Dobbs starts last season and then watch from this season (and not just the OU game)..the playcall is much more conservative and therefor detrimental to the outcome of close games. That's my concern. DeBord/Dobbs/O-line just doesn't cut it as of now.
 
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508mikey said:
I wonder what the Alabama boards are like ?
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Something like this.

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orange parmejohn said:
I have little football IQ, but it seems to me that Butch Jones wants the team to conform to his system instead of molding the system to strengths of the players that he has in his stable.
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I'd love to know what system works well with a poor OL? We all said in the summer the UT offense would struggle against the better defenses if the OL didn't improve dramatically.
 
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walkenvol said:
I'd love to know what system works well with a poor OL? We all said in the summer the UT offense would struggle against the better defenses if the OL didn't improve dramatically.
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Some teams move the pocket and use roll out passes.
 
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CAVPUT said:
Maybe the staff sees what the players do in practice and know their limitations? Maybe teams now have a better scout on Dobbs and his strength and weaknesses? Maybe Dobbs struggles due to the fact that he's still relatively young in terms of actual live game experience? Maybe our OL hasn't progressed to the point of being able to protect Dobbs long enough to allow longer routes? Maybe the WRs aren't yet capable of beating press coverage and/or aren't solid in making reads yet? Those are just a few questions I can think of.

Bottom line is that I'm a regular fan who sees games on TV and while I played a PlayStation a few times, I'm not capable of any great insight to what our coaches or team are or aren't capable of.
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So you're saying our coaches not only can't coach on game day, they can't coach our players up during the offseason, spring ball, preseason camp or at practice either. Scary thought.
 
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A point the OP made that I also questioned, "using Dobbs like last year".
I know exactly why Debord spent so much of his time working on Dobbs "sliding down" instead of taking hits... protecting the qb.
However, as soon as Debord said this, Steve McNair came to mind.
Fisher and company had the same strategy with Steve and the same results.


I am not saying they're wrong, nobody wants to see the qb go down.
I am saying it's a trade off. Protect the qb but limit one of your weapons.
 
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DresdenVol said:
This one time I let the vendor keep the change when I got a burger during a game in Neyland..maybe I should ask for my change back?

I know it's wary in the year, I know we have personnel issues, I know my opinion doesn't matter to the players or to the coaches..something about the offense just doesn't gel. Watch tape from Dobbs starts last season and then watch from this season (and not just the OU game)..the playcall is much more conservative and therefor detrimental to the outcome of close games. That's my concern. DeBord/Dobbs/O-line just doesn't cut it as of now.
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Have you only watched one half of our three games? Seriously.

Our offense has absolutely killed in 5 of the 6 halves it has played. It's been the most proficient, quick-strike offense we've seen in years.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, we got shut down in one half, primarily due to a few freak plays (like players falling and major lost yardage that killed drives) while Debord went conservative to protect a lead, against a good D with great pass rushing.
 
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A lot of the fans are complete and total morons. Open it up? How the F do you open up the offense when you cannot pass protect or your WRs will not get off press coverage? The conservative crap is a bunch of nonsense as well; the second quarter of the OU game had more called pass plays than runs, we just could not execute. WRs and Oline have been mediocre at best this year but the Oline is at least showing improvement.
 
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VOLumeS said:
We should hire you then you know exactly what to do. I am inspired.
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Why make stupid/arrogant comments like this. It is a fan board where fans vent their stuff, share ideas etc. He is not claiming to be an expert but stating that he is not happy with DeBord's playcalling. ...
 
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Pile on DeBord all you want but it's Butch's offense and we're seeing the same symptoms we did with Bajakian last year.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The problems with our offense happened long before Debord flew into town. It was mentioned that Bajakian left because he wanted to change some things but Butch stamped out the idea. Not sure if there is any truth to that. I have little football IQ, but it seems to me that Butch Jones wants the team to conform to his system instead of molding the system to strengths of the players that he has in his stable.
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Justin Worley agrees.
 
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I don't think anyone is "happy" with Debord... the jury is still out on him. We will find out more on Saturday.
 
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BornAVol1963 said:
Im not happy with Debord either. Im not sure he can coach up the qb's. It has been said that on his interview, he gave Dobbs some pointers to help improve his accuracy, and by the time Debord came back, Dobbs had already changed his footwork. Which his what Debord had suggested.
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yep, so can Peyton hurry up and retire this year so we can hire him as QB coach? :)
 
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DresdenVol said:
With all the talent we have on offense, why is DeBord not taking full advantage? I get so tired of seeing us being overly conservative on Offense. I'm not here calling for his job or anything, but when will we open it up more? We should have beat OU, but defense slacked off and our offense seemed to be content being conservative and not putting more pressure on the downfield passing game. Hurd and Kamara are capable of keeping drives going, but why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season? I'm just not too happy with our production. Thoughts?
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Our defense slacked off? Did you watch the same game I did? The only reason that game was close at all was because our defense was terrific, sorry they couldn't make OU go 3 and out every single possession.
 
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calban said:
Butch says it's just another game. Just the next as he put it.
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As it should be. Florida is NOT a top 25 team. A victory in the swamp, as sweet as it will be for UT, shouldn't count as a "signature win".
 
#75
#75
jdhallvols said:
"Liked" your post.

Isn't it nice that we can all type out our opinions on the internet about random thought processes?

Yes, we are frustrated as a fan base that UT didn't win the OU game. Fact is, you're not going to see anything new this weekend with our offense that you didn't see against OU.

OLine play and execution was the problem against OU second half and if you watch the game this weekend be prepared.

YOU WILL SEE THE SAME GAME PLAN. OLine has to man up against the big boys and team has to execute.

Rant on!! :popcorn:
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Replacing our Veteran Center was the biggest mistake this year and cost us the OU game and is very worrisome for the hostile FL game.
 
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