Not happy with DeBord.

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deaconkane said:
They don't stretch the field vertically. Cover the rb going horizontally to the sideline, the te going to the other sideline, the wr that runs a 10 yard hook, the 2 wr that always run deep on a fly route without anyone in the middle. This makes our offense easy to defend. I respect your posts but to blame the players for going on 3 seasons is just wrong. I say 3 seasons because its the same thing, year after year. He made a NFL line look extremely inept and the whole time he said they weren't physical enough, we need better talent and we will continue to improve. We haven't. Our defense has improved immensely and it is the only side of the ball without his handprint on it.
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I've already said i agree with stretching the field. I wanted to know if sjt would still draw up that play knowing about the number putting pressure on Dobbs and the LBs/DBs defending.

I am not putting blame on the players. Did our players make mistakes, sure. That's football for a young team. Did coaches make mistakes, absolutely. Im still very confident on CBJ. Mahoney and Azzani....that confidence is fading.
 
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McDad said:
When the play by play was evaluated, it was noted that OU got pressure with only 3,4,5 and a few times 6 pass rushers. That means your stretching the field against a combo of 5-8 DBs and LBs. And, does Dobbs "stare down" receivers or is he good at "looking off" defenders? Still wanna call that play?
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As you know, the QB has a significant role in pass protection. The way he manages the pocket either makes it harder or easier for the OL's to keep their blocks.

IMHO, if they were getting pressure with 3 rushers then it is almost certain that Dobbs put the OL in a bad position.

The other part of that is that OU really wasn't disguising their schemes as best I could tell. I'm not sure if Dobbs has the control... but many teams give the QB and O an automatic against certain D's. For instance, Dobbs would see man/blitz. His receivers would see it too. He makes the line call then finds the hole.

Again, there's just all sorts of relatively simple adjustments to these scenarios if you trust you players and are willing to take more risks.
 
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Maybe one of the worst things to happen to Dobbs' development as a QB was his success breaking the pocket and running against bad D's. Good D's contain him.
 
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DresdenVol said:
With all the talent we have on offense, why is DeBord not taking full advantage? I get so tired of seeing us being overly conservative on Offense. I'm not here calling for his job or anything, but when will we open it up more? We should have beat OU, but defense slacked off and our offense seemed to be content being conservative and not putting more pressure on the downfield passing game. Hurd and Kamara are capable of keeping drives going, but why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season? I'm just not too happy with our production. Thoughts?
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2 words...Offensive Line
 
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sjt18 said:
As you know, the QB has a significant role in pass protection. The way he manages the pocket either makes it harder or easier for the OL's to keep their blocks.

IMHO, if they were getting pressure with 3 rushers then it is almost certain that Dobbs put the OL in a bad position.

The other part of that is that OU really wasn't disguising their schemes as best I could tell. I'm not sure if Dobbs has the control... but many teams give the QB and O an automatic against certain D's. For instance, Dobbs would see man/blitz. His receivers would see it too. He makes the line call then finds the hole.

Again, there's just all sorts of relatively simple adjustments to these scenarios if you trust you players and are willing to take more risks.
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You know, I've only considered Dobbs as an improvement to our line based on what we saw last year comparing him to Worley. I've never considered the possibility that some of the oline struggle are BECAUSE of Dobbs. You make my brain hurt.
 
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Originally Posted by LargeOrange1:
Then you should immediately cut off your $$ donations to UT. That will send a loud message that YOU are not happy with the way things are being handled by Butch Jones....when your money stops that will get their attention. Exactly how much do you donate each year?? ( insert crickets chirping )

Lighten up Francis!
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TN_Transplant said:
Right now? About $35,000 a year. Tuition is expensive.

Normally? About $2000.

Can't do much about tuition till my kid gets out of medical school. The other, I'll see if that works.
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This is an example of why one should avoid taking shots at someone they know nothing about.
 
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McDad said:
I've already said i agree with stretching the field. I wanted to know if sjt would still draw up that play knowing about the number putting pressure on Dobbs and the LBs/DBs defending.

I am not putting blame on the players. Did our players make mistakes, sure. That's football for a young team. Did coaches make mistakes, absolutely. Im still very confident on CBJ. Mahoney and Azzani....that confidence is fading.
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Gotcha! Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for noticing I wasn't calling you out. So much name calling and personal attacks this week.
 
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DeBord may end up being the wrong guy, but I read somewhere that this year's Vols have scored the most points in their first three games since 1914. So I think this post may be a bit premature.
 
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DresdenVol said:
With all the talent we have on offense, why is DeBord not taking full advantage? I get so tired of seeing us being overly conservative on Offense. I'm not here calling for his job or anything, but when will we open it up more? We should have beat OU, but defense slacked off and our offense seemed to be content being conservative and not putting more pressure on the downfield passing game. Hurd and Kamara are capable of keeping drives going, but why not use Dobbs the way we did at the end of last season? I'm just not too happy with our production. Thoughts?
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the head coach decides that not an offensive coordinator. everything you discuss in your post is the head coaches direction.
 
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HoptownVol said:
Bottom line is that this offense is obsolete, period.

Its obvious to me now that Debord doesn't know what the hell he's doing. When Butch said he was "tweaking" the offense I was hopeful that we'd see
Dobbs under center this year, but alas.... Our running game is never going to be effective against SEC defenses. Out of the gun you're limited to 3 plays,
your vision is limited, and you're mainly running east west instead of downhill. You also have no play action which is crucial to NFL offenses and the stats
show that QBs are much more efficient when under center than they are out of the gun. I mean this stuff is so basic its maddening!

Oh yeah, throw the fact that we have no ability or willingness to stretch the field, we refuse to use the middle of the field and allow DBs to sit on
predictable short routes and its a recipe for disaster. I hate this offense.
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its Butch's offense.. 100%.. even the tweaks
 
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This is getting so old. *****, moan, bellyache, repeat. You would think we were 0-3 having just lost to WNC. It's Butch's fault. It's Dobbs. It's DeBord's. It's the line. Blah, Blah, Blah
 
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DresdenVol said:
I question the playcall more than the QB mechanics. Constant rushed up the middle when it's clearly not working, multiple screens for no gain or a loss, and the fear of throwing it more than 10 yards downfield? I just don't like it. I'm not a nut-job fan who thinks we can throw it deep every play and have 500+ yards of total offense every quarter, but why keep the playcall so conservative? Use the downfield pass to set up the run, but not up the middle every time. I just want to see more production.
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On target analysis in my opinion.
 
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KingtUT said:
As conservative as the play calling was against OK in the 2nd half, the players still had multiple opportunities to make plays to win the game. The coaches put the players in position to win and they didnt get it done.

The worst thing about them going into conservative mode was they failed to run the play clock down along with it. Once they went conservative, if they had ran the play clock down under 3 seconds each play, we would have still won the game. Just a poor job anyway you look at it.
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Agree.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
The problems with our offense happened long before Debord flew into town. It was mentioned that Bajakian left because he wanted to change some things but Butch stamped out the idea. Not sure if there is any truth to that. I have little football IQ, but it seems to me that Butch Jones wants the team to conform to his system instead of molding the system to strengths of the players that he has in his stable.
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He's been listening to you know who too much--PF. I agree with your last sentence. You have to know when to change the tempo and slow the game down and run the clock especially if you are ahead and your game plan isn't working. By the same token you have to make ADJUSTMENTS when your game plan isn't working. If I know you can't, or won't throw downfield more than 10 yards then I can play up and help more on stopping the run. Duh, coaches?
 
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Bleed-Orange said:
To give it some context here is a link to college qb's from 2012. The numbers don't break it down completely but Dobbs looks to be about as accurate downfield as Tyler Bray (who wasn't high on the list) and less accurate than Aaron Murray or Conner Shaw. Aaron Murray ranged from 60% at 20-25yds to 28% at 35-40yds. Again, I am eyeballing it, but his downfield numbers look a lot like Taj Boyd.
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Thanks for these numbers.
 
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Joe Vols said:
DeBord may end up being the wrong guy, but I read somewhere that this year's Vols have scored the most points in their first three games since 1914. So I think this post may be a bit premature.
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Nonono... 1914 is when DeBord was born.
 
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TNTechVol said:
Does anybody here have any confidence that Debord will have an effective scheme for the FL game?
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Don't you worry about a thing. Debord's got the plan how to fix it once and for all.

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VOLumeS said:
Calm down never said I was the expert. I just said it's obvious and what was obvious is we had alot of inaccurate throws and dropped passes.
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Don't tell me what to do. Inaccurate throws and dropped passes had nothing to do with my response. Keep you snippy little childish, meaningless comments to yourself in the future.
 
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