Not Going to Have "Thugs"? Wha?

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PineyBluff Vol said:
I think this was what Tyndall was referring to and in simple summary, a person who does not follow moral guidelines that are common to most people...
thug
member of a well-organized confederacy of professional assassins who traveled in gangs throughout India for several hundred years. (The earliest authenticated mention of the thugs is found in Ziya'-ud-Din Barani, History of Firuz Shah, dated about 1356.) The thugs would insinuate themselves into the confidence of wayfarers and, when a favourable opportunity presented itself, strangle them by throwing a handkerchief or noose around their necks. They then plundered and buried them. All this was done according to certain ancient and rigidly prescribed forms and after the performance of special religious rites, in which the consecration of the pickax and the sacrifice of sugar formed a prominent part. Although the thugs traced their origin to seven Muslim tribes, Hindus appear to have been associated with them at an early period; at any rate, their religious creed and practices as worshipers of Kali, the Hindu goddess of destruction, showed no influence of Islam. The fraternity possessed a jargon of its own (Ramasi) and signs by which its members recognized each other.
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Well, thank you for educating us. :rolleyes:
 
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Tennessee isn't going to have thugs and much of any other kind of player during the 2014-2015 season. Tennessee very well could be fighting it out for last in the SEC.
 
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Dave1967 said:
Tennessee isn't going to have thugs and much of any other kind of player during the 2014-2015 season. Tennessee very well could be fighting it out for last in the SEC.
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If they get some of those so called "thugs" they could surprise a lot of people.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
Really?

Which is worse.....Cracker or Gringo?
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Living in Florida... well north of Miami, I do not hear Gringo much. I do hear cracker, and it is NEVER said with anything resembling nice. It is ALWAYS derogatory and insulting. I guess when one group can use the "N" word with impunity, and another cannot, yet that first group can use a clearly intentional racist term with no implications, I am disgusted by the double standard. Talk among yourselves.
 
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If you throw a rock into a pack of dawgs and you hit one and it yelps then you know you hit one... #thugsnpunksrallthesame
 
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volholio said:
Serious question here.

The Richard Sherman incident brought this term to the forefront of the sporting world's consciousness. In fact, Sherman wrote an article about it in the MMQB


Richard Sherman Explains What People Mean When They Call Him A "Thug"

Sherman--and most of the African American community and most of pundents--came to the conclusion that "thug" is the new "n-word."

Now: Is Tyndall a purposeful racist? I don't think so. I don't think most of the people that use "Thug" consider themselves racist. In fact, I know they don't.

Yet, it is mostly considered a racist term by African Americans. So, I'm not sure what to make of that, but it's something I noticed and cringed at when I heard him say it.

Thoughts?

Go Vals!
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Who cares what anyone's definition of thug is? African American, antelope, artichoke? Who the hell cares? I don't.
 
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volholio said:
It's a legitimate debate. It was HUGE issue not even three months ago. I have a link to Richard Sherman talking about it.

I think it's a fair discussion. If you'd not like to join it, that's fine, but I think it's interesting. I'm interested in other opinions.
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No, it's really not a legitimate discussion... It's the kind of discussion you see on leftist websites such as: Huff Po, Democratic Underground, Daily Kos etc etc. inhabited by arrogant and sanctimonious white liberals in their lilly-white ivory towers who live to determine what speech is appropriate for society at large. To summarize---it's garbage.

Additionally, Richard Sherman is a dope and a moron. He has no clue what he is talking about.
 
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folks, the reason it is an issue is because our coach has to convince 17 and 18 yr old members of the offended group along with their families in order to have a successful program. Recruiting is all about sucking up and walking on eggshells and making people believe you are wonderful and madly in love with them.

is the charge fair?

No.

but I a want a coach who is so smooth as a fox that he could convince chickens to hire him as a security guard for the chicken coop.
 
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Be honest this does nothing but bring negativity to the fan base, one bad ingredient turns other ingredients bad.. .stop
 
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I"ve been making fun of this conversation for awhile, but today I saw the light. Had a high school coach tell me today that his players are comparing Coach Tyndall to the idiot that owns the Clippers. SMDH. How recruits get this stuff in their head is beyond me, but I admit I thought it was much ado about nothing.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Living in Florida... well north of Miami, I do not hear Gringo much. I do hear cracker, and it is NEVER said with anything resembling nice. It is ALWAYS derogatory and insulting. I guess when one group can use the "N" word with impunity, and another cannot, yet that first group can use a clearly intentional racist term with no implications, I am disgusted by the double standard. Talk among yourselves.
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Do you feel left out that you can't call some one the N-word? Do you feel deprived some how?

Has the term "cracker" ever been used as the dominant term to characterize you as not-human, not worthy?

Trying to compare "cracker" to "n-word" is absurd.

Lamenting that you can call someone the n-word is, well, something else all together.:peace2:
 
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volgrad500 said:
I"ve been making fun of this conversation for awhile, but today I saw the light. Had a high school coach tell me today that his players are comparing Coach Tyndall to the idiot that owns the Clippers. SMDH. How recruits get this stuff in their head is beyond me, but I admit I thought it was much ado about nothing.
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Here in lies the problem. A group of people are characterized as thugs by some groups of people whenever they do anything "wrong". However other groups of people are not seen in that light as often when committing the same offenses. So no, the term is not meant for a certain group of people in general. However when it is overly used to represent a group of people and not another then that group tends to think it is a racist term.

Prime example is when people like Richard Sherman, somebody with a degree from Stanford, can be called a thug simply based on his comments toward another player. He did not commit a criminal activity at all but is labeled as a criminal. This is when you know there is a problem.
 
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lonelawyer said:
folks, the reason it is an issue is because our coach has to convince 17 and 18 yr old members of the offended group along with their families in order to have a successful program. Recruiting is all about sucking up and walking on eggshells and making people believe you are wonderful and madly in love with them.

is the charge fair?

No.

but I a want a coach who is so smooth as a fox that he could convince chickens to hire him as a security guard for the chicken coop.
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I've seen BYU make deep runs with a homogeous roster. Tyndall doesn't have to do anything but sign the best players who want to come play for the Vols.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
I've seen BYU make deep runs with a homogeous roster. Tyndall doesn't have to do anything but sign the best players who want to come play for the Vols.
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Have you looked at the Top 200. Other than taller than most folks, what else do the most of them have in common? And from Trayvon to Sherman to Sterling, a large percentage of them and their families seem to believe that white America is filled with racism. If you criticize Obama you're a racist. If you oppose affirmative action you're a racist.

The truth is not important. Perception is.

I want the top recruits period. Whatever it takes.

Oh, and black callers still scream racism on the Sports Animal and bring up Cuonzo. I wish people would quit being ostriches and realize we are having to sell our product to a market that looks at things a lot differently than most of the Volnation posters do.
 
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lonelawyer said:
Have you looked at the Top 200. Other than taller than most folks, what else do the most of them have in common? And from Trayvon to Sherman to Sterling, a large percentage of them and their families seem to believe that white America is filled with racism. If you criticize Obama you're a racist. If you oppose affirmative action you're a racist.

The truth is not important. Perception is.

I want the top recruits period. Whatever it takes.

Oh, and black callers still scream racism on the Sports Animal and bring up Cuonzo. I wish people would quit being ostriches and realize we are having to sell our product to a market that looks at things a lot differently than most of the Volnation posters do.
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You and I, lawyers. Me, a weirdo 10er who doesn't live in a state where I have to support stupidity to earn a living. Let's war and be done with it.
 
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I've read this entire thread, and wish I could have that part of my life back. It's real simple, thug is a descriptive term based on actions. The other word is targeted toward a group of people. Not hard to understand.
 
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