Not getting out coached....long.

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matts42012

matts42012

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I have read alot of ppl saying we got out coached and i think its a load of crap.

1. We have very limited talent. Think about this. A couple years ago we only brought in 3 four stars in, with one of em (at least) already gone in EJAW. Fulmer let recruiting go and its obvious in many regions. (QB, OL, etc.)

2. There is only so much a coach can do. Once a player steps onto the field its all about the players. Kiffin could be the best coach in the world, but he cant play the game for Crompton (his new nickname is DII, where he sould be playing). Tonight, AU blitzed at CB leaving a WR all alone sprinting down the sideline. Literally everyone in the student section yalled and pointed. Crompton had plenty of time to scan the field too. He ended up throwing the ball across the middle for a small gain. It killed me and many others.

3. Talent, its obvious. We are serious lacking it. Depth is a serious issue and as the season goes on it will just get worse.

4. What you do if you were in CLK shoes. By all of what i have heard here on campus is that Crompton is in fact the best QB we have. I mean we have a good stable of RBs but we cant run the ball everytime. Idk about yall, but everytime Crompton goes up to throw my heart stops in fear. This goes back to coaches can only do so much.

5. Look at what talent CLK brought in and how it has performed so far. BB is going to be a stud. Everyone sees it. Nuke, you saw the explosiveness tonight. Kids a weapon, just needs to fix a couple of things on O first. Getting there tho. Janzen, future stud. Yes he is out of control some, but good gosh loads of talent. Greg king. He is already getting a solid amount of min and is playing pretty well imo. Montori Hughes. even tho this is CPF guy, O sculpted him into what he is now. You can see these guys can coach, you have to know where to look because there are some guys that are uncoachable on this team.

6. Look at the future recruits coming in. Palardy is a freak and so are the DL we have coming in. AND WE FINALLY HAVE A QB!!!! we are going to add a juco one too. yes, we need OL, but we are getting there.


in conclusion, when kiffin was hired we all said we would give him a couple of years to work his magic. BACK IT IP GUYS. I am going to give him his time to work with this team and get HIS PLAYERS IN HERE. Remember, he isnt playing with his guys. sorry for the vent....
 
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I have no problems waiting for this staff to deliver. We are handicapped right now, that is obvious. To pretend that this staff can come in and win a ton of games is a bit too extreme....
 
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Yeah but Auburn's got the same or worse talent across the board and you played at home. That's why people are saying this was an outcoach game. You're not being compared to UGA or FL.
 
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Auburn has less recruited talent at OL, QB, RB, WR, DL, LB & DB. Every single position. They have not a single player on their entire starting roster that is considered a serious high-round NFL prospect. They can't even fill their scholarship spots at the moment. That freshman TB who gave us problems -- Kiffin didn't even offer him a scholarship. He was the 69th rated running back in the country. Excusing Kiffin's coaching failures as talent deficiencies is nonsense.
 
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I'm from the Knoxville area and right not I wouldn't let crompton throw for Gibbs I mean he plays hard but the guy is just not a qb bring Stevens in just for a series are what happens
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VegasVol said:
Auburn has less recruited talent at OL, QB, RB, WR, DL, LB & DB. Every single position. They have not a single player on their entire starting roster that is considered a serious high-round NFL prospect. They can't even fill their scholarship spots at the moment. That freshman TB who gave us problems -- Kiffin didn't even offer him a scholarship. He was the 69th rated running back in the country. Excusing Kiffin's coaching failures as talent deficiencies is nonsense.
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The idiots on this board multiply like Gremlins. Congrats...
 
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I agree. It is what it is this year. Hang in there vol fans, better days are ahead. Auburn had a good scheme and a QB competent enough to run it. Unfortunately that's about all it takes right now to beat us. Nothing consistent about our offense and the defense needed more rest than they got tonight. They just wore the defense out holding the ball all night. It's a mess right now.
 
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I think the Western Kentucky game is maybe the worst thing that happened to the perception of Kiffin this year. It is the quickest case of "victim of your own success" I have ever seen.

Before the season, most of us, who let's admit, always have more kool-aid than we ought, had us losing probably 5 games, (FL, GA, AL, Miss, and take your pick of AU or SC). After Western Kentucky, we were lusting after our own 3rd best offense and top defense in the country stats. Surely GA was a win. They couldn't even beat Ok St, Ole Miss was overrated, South Carolina can't score, and heck we may "shock the world" in Gainesville. Recruiting was up, The koolaid was syrupy, just the way we like it.

Now reality hits. We didn't expect to lose, and shouldn't have, to UCLA. A yard short in the end. Heck, most of us were just as happy with the Florida result as we would have been a win. Auburn is no joke. Top ten team, probably not, but don't scoff at top 15 when it all shakes out. You can't compare our situation with them. They have a serviceable QB, we do not. Sure, we are similar in some respects, but not identical and the progress should not be based on that alone.

Bottom line, by the end of the year we are maybe one loss off of where we thought we would be. This teams may still surprise a couple of teams, especially if Crompton does something of use. The house is not collapsing.
 
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In all honesty, Eric Berry needs to be more in the Secondary like a Troy Polamalu-type instead of a glorified LB like a John Lynch-type.
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nicksjuzunk said:
I think the Western Kentucky game is maybe the worst thing that happened to the perception of Kiffin this year. It is the quickest case of "victim of your own success" I have ever seen.

Before the season, most of us, who let's admit, always have more kool-aid than we ought, had us losing probably 5 games, (FL, GA, AL, Miss, and take your pick of AU or SC). After Western Kentucky, we were lusting after our own 3rd best offense and top defense in the country stats. Surely GA was a win. They couldn't even beat Ok St, Ole Miss was overrated, South Carolina can't score, and heck we may "shock the world" in Gainesville. Recruiting was up, The koolaid was syrupy, just the way we like it.

Now reality hits. We didn't expect to lose, and shouldn't have, to UCLA. A yard short in the end. Heck, most of us were just as happy with the Florida result as we would have been a win. Auburn is no joke. Top ten team, probably not, but don't scoff at top 15 when it all shakes out. You can't compare our situation with them. They have a serviceable QB, we do not. Sure, we are similar in some respects, but not identical and the progress should not be based on that alone.

Bottom line, by the end of the year we are maybe one loss off of where we thought we would be. This teams may still surprise a couple of teams, especially if Crompton does something of use. The house is not collapsing.
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Great post..

What are you doing in Kuala Lumpur? I haven't been there in years...
 
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Auburn was a preseason top 10 team going into last season. They have talent on that team, and serviceable QB who can hit his receivers when they are open.
 
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What I saw last night were players being in place to make plays, but they just weren't capable of making them. It looked like the staff had them set up to make the play on offense and defense, but the talent level just isn't getting it done. Time and again Rico takes a bad angle or it looks like he closes his eyes waiting on the impact and ends up barely touching the guy. Even Eric took some bad angles last night. We had people running open on offense and either the ball was too high, too hard or behind and many times it was all three together. When it was on target then it was dropped way too many times. All this is to say I think this shows that the coaches know what they are doing, we just don't have the folks to get it done.
 
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VegasVol said:
Auburn has less recruited talent at OL, QB, RB, WR, DL, LB & DB. Every single position. They have not a single player on their entire starting roster that is considered a serious high-round NFL prospect. They can't even fill their scholarship spots at the moment. That freshman TB who gave us problems -- Kiffin didn't even offer him a scholarship. He was the 69th rated running back in the country. Excusing Kiffin's coaching failures as talent deficiencies is nonsense.
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This is true!! Coming into the start of the season, we had 72 scholarshiped players.....Tubs didn't do very well recruiting players that could get into school.....We have been ranked in the top 20 about every year in recruiting classes but seems like the best of the recruits can't get in.....You are also right about us not having any really good talent! Most of our Talent we have is 2 and 3 star players...Carter, our defensive end is the only one that is even expected to be drafted on our team in the first two rounds! We have played 32 new players this year that before the season has not seen the field on the college level.....To me, this team is about TEAM!!!! That is why Malzahn's offense is so successful, cause we can't just line it up and beat somebody...We have to pull out the trickery....This is why Malzahn is going to be successful and why is such a great coach! We have been ranked in the 100's in offense the last 2 years and look what he has done! GREAT GAME guys! WDE!
 
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These are all related to coaching/discipline:

1 - We allowed 35 yards per kickoff return
2 - We missed a 39 yard field goal
3 - We had a 15 yard personal foul on a punt return
4 - We had a blocked XP
5 - We had a 27 yard punt
6 - We had a 36 yard punt
7 - Multiple drops by WR’s that got both hands on the ball.
8 - There’s still constant confusion about pre-snap alignment, and routes.
9 - Brandon Warren yells at coaches on the sideline and goes back out there and lines up wrong on the goal line, costing us a delay of game penalty, and maybe the game because we settled for 3.
9 - With the game (4:00 remaining) on the line we kickoff and we can only manage to get it to their 10 yard line, and then we allow them to go untouched (and unapproached) right up the middle again, for 52 yards
10 - The very next play Gerald Williams breaks outside contain and allows a 10 yard loss to turn into a 9 yard gain. This mistake pretty much ended the game.
11 - How many times did screens work against us? 6 times? 8 times? It was a lot.
12 - We let them off the hook on outside contain at least 5 times.
13 - Besides our 2 minute drill, we had 127 yards in the first 3 quarters. 41 of them came from the N-Gun, yet we only ran it once. I’m not saying it should be our primary offense, but do it until it doesn’t work. Nothing else was working.
 
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nbakerld said:
These are all related to coaching/discipline:

1 - We allowed 35 yards per kickoff return
2 - We missed a 39 yard field goal
3 - We had a 15 yard personal foul on a punt return
4 - We had a blocked XP
5 - We had a 27 yard punt
6 - We had a 36 yard punt
7 - Multiple drops by WR’s that got both hands on the ball.
8 - There’s still constant confusion about pre-snap alignment, and routes.
9 - Brandon Warren yells at coaches on the sideline and goes back out there and lines up wrong on the goal line, costing us a delay of game penalty, and maybe the game because we settled for 3.
9 - With the game (4:00 remaining) on the line we kickoff and we can only manage to get it to their 10 yard line, and then we allow them to go untouched (and unapproached) right up the middle again, for 52 yards
10 - The very next play Gerald Williams breaks outside contain and allows a 10 yard loss to turn into a 9 yard gain. This mistake pretty much ended the game.
11 - How many times did screens work against us? 6 times? 8 times? It was a lot.
12 - We let them off the hook on outside contain at least 5 times.
13 - Besides our 2 minute drill, we had 127 yards in the first 3 quarters. 41 of them came from the N-Gun, yet we only ran it once. I’m not saying it should be our primary offense, but do it until it doesn’t work. Nothing else was working.
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You forgot that CLK is an idiot for not putting in NS, in 3..2..1....
 
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