Not even a review of totally obvious targeting by Bama

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#101
It's Bama. The SEC headquarters is in that state. The SEC takes care of Bama. Did you really expect them to hit them with targeting call? They would have to kill someone for that to happen.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
It's not the refs job to do what Heupel wants. It's to call the game based on the rules.
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Stopping play to initiate replay for a foul they missed is not the job of the on field official. And yes, Huepel literally does want them to execute enabling play as quickly as possible.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Far enough, but the ref should have made the correct call or stood over the ball to delay the next play. We've all seen them do that. It seems to me CJH's mistake was trusting the refs to do their job. If they had, the discussion is moot.

For the record someone up thread called Coach out for "not protecting his players" so there are people blaming him, even if you aren't.
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I highly doubt that Heupel was even aware there was something worth looking at.
 
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BlinghamptonVol said:
I wonder what replay officials are told about the process of reviewing a play? I mean, I agree and would think you see it live and just buzz down that you want to look at the replay. But there is a lot of pressure to not draw out games. I wonder if they are told they need to first watch a replay before they buzz down? It’s one thing to review a play that is a score or that the refs call something on, it might be another to initiate it from the booth. I wonder how comfortable the replay official is buzzing down before he sees a clear replay when the refs on the field didn’t make a call? I really don’t know what goes into it. One would think it should be as simple as you stated, but who knows how complicated they have made all of this?

To be clear, I’m not disagreeing or arguing anything, just wondering what the replay officials understand as their procedure and role.
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You know those instant-review consoles? The ones you've probably seen Herbstreit or other fellas using that have a dial for very quickly and easily slowing down, reversing and reviewing the footage? Like this:

Roland Pro A/V - P-20HD | Video Instant Replayer

I would be shocked if the replay officials don't have those. I mean, that would be kind of the minimum, for their job. Using that, the instant the Bama defender launched at Hendon, the offical coulda said, "whoa, was that what I think..." and a few seconds later he would at LEAST know, okay this is a definite thing that needs to be looked at closely. That's without a single person helping him. Just rotate dial left a bit, and yep, that looks like maybe a targeting foul.

From that point, he's still got like, 11 or 12 seconds left to push an intercom button and say, "we need to relook this one."
 
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allvol123 said:
Stopping play to initiate replay for a foul they missed is not the job of the on field official. And yes, Huepel literally does want them to execute enabling play as quickly as possible.
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That is indeed what he what he wants. No argument their. But Heupel coaches the team, not the refs. We've all seen the refs delay plays to see if there will be a review, or the next play get stopped mid stream, or occasionally negated after the fact.

If it had happened off the ball, I would agree with you. Tempo may cause us to miss a couple of those reviews. But, on this particular play, Hook is the one player that the ref should definitely be watching. It's also textbook what they are supposed to be watching for and on the QB. Someone should have called it or caught it in the booth.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
That is indeed what he what he wants. No argument their. But Heupel coaches the team, not the refs. We've all seen the refs delay plays to see if there will be a review, or the next play get stopped mid stream, or occasionally negated after the fact.

If it had happened off the ball, I would agree with you. Tempo may cause us to miss a couple of those reviews. But, on this particular play, Hook is the one player that the ref should definitely be watching. It's also textbook what they are supposed to be watching for and on the QB. Someone should have called it or caught it in the booth.
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The on field ref missed it. He can’t know he missed it, that is because he missed it. He can’t know what he doesn’t know.

At that point it is on the replay official, meanwhile the on the field ref is trying to let Huepel have a quickly spotted ball.

This will not be the last time this happens. Our offensive philosophy encourages it.
 
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bamawriter said:
BS. I was at the game and didn't see it. I knew roughly when it was coming when I watched it yesterday and still missed it live because I was watching the play. I rewound it a few times, which the replay official certainly could not do, and still wasn't sure if Moore hit him with his shoulder first.

The replay official isn't going to slam the buzzer for every big hit. Games would never end.
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I have replied to you many times that Bama plays by a different set of rules than the rest of the conference. I was not aware that it was due to a vision problem. What is your EXCUSE for the spotting of the first down when the Bama player was at least a yard short. Myopia?
 
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JCHateSteve said:
That is indeed what he what he wants. No argument their. But Heupel coaches the team, not the refs. We've all seen the refs delay plays to see if there will be a review, or the next play get stopped mid stream, or occasionally negated after the fact.
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I've literally never seen a ref delay a play while waiting to hear from the replay booth. That's absolutely not supposed to happen. Either the replay official buzzes the ref before the next snap or he doesn't.

If it had happened off the ball, I would agree with you. Tempo may cause us to miss a couple of those reviews. But, on this particular play, Hook is the one player that the ref should definitely be watching. It's also textbook what they are supposed to be watching for and on the QB. Someone should have called it or caught it in the booth.
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I can completely buy the argument that the head ref ought to have thrown the flag. He's supposed to be watching the QB past the throw for roughing. If he throws the flag, the booth gets ample time to look at it.
 
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onevol74 said:
I have replied to you many times that Bama plays by a different set of rules than the rest of the conference. I was not aware that it was due to a vision problem. What is your EXCUSE for the spotting of the first down when the Bama player was at least a yard short. Myopia?
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Which play was this?

There was a play where Bolden appeared to have stepped OOB about 1 1/2 yards before where he stepped out for good, and that's a legit gripe, but that play didn't result in a first down.
 
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allvol123 said:
The on field ref missed it. He can’t know he missed it, that is because he missed it. He can’t know what he doesn’t know.

At that point it is on the replay official, meanwhile the on the field ref is trying to let Huepel have a quickly spotted ball.

This will not be the last time this happens. Our offensive philosophy encourages it.
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I don't disagree with you, in general, on that. Though, it happened when we were running Pruitts super slow offense too. It's the egregious nature of this specific play that gets me. Given the situation, there just isn't any excuse for the the on field officials and the booth to both miss that. The fact that the defender "launched" should have been an instant flag or review.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
I don't disagree with you, in general, on that. Though, it happened when we were running Pruitts super slow offense too. It's the egregious nature of this specific play that gets me. Given the situation, there just isn't any excuse for the the on field officials and the booth to both miss that. The fact that the defender "launched" should have been an instant flag or review.
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I do blame the on the field officials for missing it.

I just think this is going to happen. If Huepel isn’t aware a call was missed, then he is going to want to play as fast as possible, which will mean less replays granted.
 
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That clip could be used as a training video to show exactly the type of hits targeting calls are supposed to eliminate. QB releases the ball then the defensive player launches helmet first and hits the QB in the head…if that’s not targeting then just delete the damn rule and go back to the good ole days when head hunting was legal…
 
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It is so Tennessee fan to blame Tennessee football coaches for not getting a targeting call inflicted by Alabama on a Tennessee football player.
 
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DukeDaisySam said:
Looks to me like he hit him with his shoulder instead of the crown of the helmet. His intent may have been to use the helmet but I think he missed.
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I believe if you launch to make contact in the head area, you dont have to even make helmet to helmet contact. The bama helmet hit hooker in the facemask. Clear targeting....
 
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If we didn't get those calls, at HOME, against Ole Piss, why would you think we'd get them in Satan's Belly, AL next door to the SEC office???
 
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It wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the game, but it’s the principle of the matter and no one outside of our fanbase wants to care about it.

If the jerseys were reversed that gets called every time. Not because they wouldn’t have missed it, but because they would be looking for a flag the way they don’t for Bama. It’s literally plain as day.
 
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AdoptedVOL said:
Absolutely flagrant. Eyes down. Crown of helmet. Lurching/driving into the hit. I don’t complain much about refs and bad calls but that one was BAD (and a costly miss as I recall).

I’d just like to hear from the person responsible for that call why it wasn’t targeting,
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Why? One gue$$
 
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