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14forHEISMAN

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These players are old enough to know what to do....we need to keep our heads high....Dooley is the right man for the job because of his determination to fight adversity....have faith
 
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how can it not be, to some extent, the coaches' fault? who do you think is in charge of substitutions?
 
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The coaches sent the right number of people onto the field but our guys just didn't get off the field
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So our players decide who gets to play? Well i guess that explains it!
 
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14forHEISMAN said:
The coaches sent the right number of people onto the field but our guys just didn't get off the field
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but the players on the field should be coached to get off the field in that situation, should they not? they should know what to do. it all goes back how well they've been taught and coached by the staff.
 
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A defense is called by color and the players know which color includes them. They just could not hear the call. Two guys who originally started off the field, went back on for some unknown reason. With all the confusion on the LSU side, the official is supposed to stand over the ball to give the defense time to react when there is no huddle but that did not happen.

GO VOLS!!
 
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duckman398686 said:
but the players on the field should be coached to get off the field in that situation, should they not? they should know what to do. it all goes back how well they've been taught and coached by the staff.
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2 guys on the field screwed up. happens all the time to young teams in pressure situations. watch much football?
 
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14forHEISMAN said:
These players are old enough to know what to do....we need to keep our heads high....Dooley is the right man for the job because of his determination to fight adversity....have faith
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I thought these players were young and inexperienced. Now they are experienced enough to know what to do? Pick an argument and stick with it apologists. This is squarely on Wilcox's shoulders IMO. Nothing he has done to this point can change my mind that he is in over his head.
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VolBurgers said:
2 guys on the field screwed up. happens all the time to young teams in pressure situations. watch much football?
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this is just amazing. i hardly ever point fingers at solely one area or one particular thing in a loss but how can anyone say that the coaches weren't at all at fault for what happened today? it was the coaching staff who called for a substitution to be made in the first place. it was a complete mess on lsu's sideline and there probasbly shouldn't have been a call for a substitution in that type of situation.....and that definitely goes back to the coaches. i don't know how more crystal clear i can explain it.
 
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JayVols said:
I thought these players were young and inexperienced. Now they are experienced enough to know what to do? Pick an argument and stick with it apologists. This is squarely on Wilcox's shoulders IMO. Nothing he has done to this point can change my mind that he is in over his head.
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It falls on both. The coaches calles a substitution and 2 players that were not in the package stayed on the field (whether it be that they did not hear the substitution, didnt know what they were doing, etc.), but in that situation with the young and inexperienced team in an extremely loud environment it might have been smart to just let them play it out with who was on the field. Hindsight is 20/20 but both can take the blame for this. Mistakes happen, lets support our vols and move on.
 
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The players and coaches both need to communicate better, UT had practiced their "packages" all week and executed it all game long, when LSU brought in their "heavy goal line" package UT countered with theirs, I'd have to believe the coaches were yelling for the "heavy goal line" who ever has not been in that package all week needed to get the heck off the field, but there was a mental lapse with two guys and the communication broke down.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
It falls on both. The coaches calles a substitution and 2 players that were not in the package stayed on the field (whether it be that they did not hear the substitution, didnt know what they were doing, etc.), but in that situation with the young and inexperienced team in an extremely loud environment it might have been smart to just let them play it out with who was on the field. Hindsight is 20/20 but both can take the blame for this. Mistakes happen, lets support our vols and move on.
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I love the Vols. I love their heart, fire, and determination. That is why I'm upset. The players played their tails off today. The staff, particularly the defensive staff, failed the players today. If the coaches are gonna call out players, and fine by me if they do, they should apply the same standards to themselves. The coaches got the players' 'A' effort today. The players got the coaches', again particularly defensive coaches, D- to F effort.
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Seriously most of the time I love to come on here and see what everyone has to say after a game win or lose, but tonight I'm disgusted at what I am seeing from everyone on here.

Was there a mistake made by the coaches? Yes. Am I using that as an excuse to call for their heads like a bunch of people are doing? No. There was a lot going on in that last play we are a young team with a new coaching staff with a chance to upset a ranked team in their own environment. All I've heard is how hard it can be to hear in that stadium and while I wasn't there I have to believe that the place was roaring with a last minute chance to win the game.

Yes this loss sucks bad, and it's a hard pill to swallow, but it is no reason to crucify our coaching staff, who by the way had our outmatched team ready to come in and play ball, and even had us in a position to win the game. It could be so much worse we could have a Les Miles for a coach who doesn't have the brain capacity to know when to call a timeout. I haven't lost my faith in Dooley or this coaching staff after this game, and if you have it just goes to show you didn't have much to begin with.

Just my :twocents:.
 
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What bothers me is that we seem to have 'Chavis Jr.' as our defensive coordinator.
 
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JayVols said:
I thought these players were young and inexperienced. Now they are experienced enough to know what to do? Pick an argument and stick with it apologists. This is squarely on Wilcox's shoulders IMO.
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Yup.
 
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pasadenavol said:
+1 Why substitute at all with 10 seconds left?
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Not defending the coaches but if they hadnt have substituted and LSU scores, you would have tons of people on here wondering why we didnt have our "goal line" package run on the field in the 25 seconds that LSU wasted.
 
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I love Dooley's passion during games, but he was definitely losing it near the end of this game. I wonder if that sparked a little more confusion than there should have been on the sideline at that point in the game.

I'm not calling for his head, though.

I don't know exactly what happened at the end of the game. It's weird that a couple of players turned back around. I wonder if the guys coming on just grabbed the guys they could (because time was very tight), but those guys knew they were supposed to b in on that package, so that is why they started off, but turned around?

Oh well - tough loss. That whole team (players and staff) must be absolutely sick tonight.
 
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13 men on the field at that critical juncture sucks, but the game was lost on the 4th and 14.

shaky qb, slim lead on the road against a top 10 team with a chance for a signature win -- bring the house.

but we didn't, they converted, and that was the ball game.
 
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