No Worries for Defense

#26
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tnraider1 said:
Go back and look at BGSU's next 4 possessions after the 12 min mark in the 3rd. 3 of them ended in UT's red zone. 2 ended on obvious pass interference calls in the end zone that weren't made. The next ended inside the 5 with an unforced fumble on the read option. The last ended on another play where pass interference should have been called when the DB hooked the arm of the intended receiver on the deep sideline pass they kept burning you with. After that, BGSU brought in the 2nd string because the game was out of hand. They could have easily scored at least 50. Second half adjustments had nothing to do with it. It wouldn't have effected the overall outcome, but your defense got torched all day long. Sorry, just being honest.

I'm curious why you would assume a QB who walked on and won the starting job at two different Power 5 schools, and was given Big 12 newcomer of the year honors as a freshman wouldn't be as good a guy who could only get on with WKU and BGSU? I'm not saying he's not better because we haven't seen enough of Mayfield to give an accurate assessment, but the odds are heavily against it.

I can assure you our recievers are far more talented than BGSU. You'll see.

All that aside, I expect a great game on Saturday. Both teams have weaknesses that they better get cleaned up in a hurry, and both looked very impressive in other regards. I'd be shocked if either team won by more than 10. It's an intriguing matchup to say the least.
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Ramble much?
 
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Jasooner said:
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@ the bolded

A walk on who has walked on at TWO D1 programs. Beat out a back-up who DEFEATED Tenn last year.

I always love when fans who clearly don't watch other teams try to comment a few days before a game. I thought Dobbs should've started last year against us....but that's besides the point.

Backup? We have no "backup" RB. They both start in the backfield. If you saw a "backup" it was #34 Daniel Brooks or #28 Alex Ross. You might wanna check Mixons highlights fom Sat before you use the word "struggle". Did the O-line struggle early on, yes. That's a concern for us.

Yes, we started slow in the first game. The same way Bama, TCU, Baylor many other schools started slow.

I see more OU fans respectful of Tenn talent than I see the other way around.

But it's cool though. We're 7-8 deep rotation on the D-line, probably the best of the Stoops era. Biggest WR corp of Stoops era (watch out for #81) and a OC who hopefully calls to our strengths.

only big concern i have is Dobbs running/converting 3rd and 6-7's and us not getting off the field. Running QBs are historically a thorn in Stoops side. Oh, and our 2ndary that is unproven based on the awful season last year.

Otherwise, we have no injuries, our kids want to play in neyland, everyones excited....I like our chances on paper and whatever happens happens.
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If your only concern is Dobbs running on 3rd down, then you are doing the same thing you are complaining UT fans are doing.
 
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The thing OU fans don't see is that the Sooners OL is just not up to what it is usually. The Sooners only have one potential NFL guy for this year on it. Orlando Brown and Dru Samia have a chance, but they are only freshman. Kenyon Frison is the best of the bunch, but he is suspended right now.

Also, even if Oklahoma puts up 30 points or more, don't be discouraged. This Oklahoma offense has a chance to be historic if they play fast and wear down opposing defenses. Mayfield isn't as good or as much of an NFL QB prospect as the one from BGSU, but he is a true system QB and puts Lincoln Riley in good hands. He makes decisive decisions. Even if a guy splits the field and gets behind the defense, if his first read is open for five yards, he will take it. That is what is scary, is that our running game is now the short passing game. If OU's OL finds a way to get a push Saturday, this game will not end up well for the Vols. But i don't expect that to happen one bit.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I've watched, read and analyzed the Defensive issues since the game Saturday. My observation is as follows:

1) BG has a really good offense and will win many games this year.
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UT fans have to move past this notion that Bowling Green has this amazing, Oregon-like offense that is truly unstoppable. Fact is, UT had a shaky defensive performance against a team they should have held to about 17 points and 350 total yards. There are at least 4 teams on UT's schedule that pose a much greater offensive threat than Bowling Green: Oklahoma, Georgia, Alabama, Missouri, and that number grows to 7 if Florida, South Carolina and Arkansas turn out to have quality offenses. Bowling Green would not win a game in the SEC, except v Vandy. Moreover, Bowling Green's offense would average about 300 total yards a game if they played an SEC schedule and that's assuming they had any healthy players left by about week six.

Let's move past how great Bowling Green is and focus on defensive improvement going forward. I think you'll see a much improved defensive unit v OU.
 
#33
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Coug said:
Ok, I already see where this is going. This'll be your excuse if OK loses on Saturday.



I heard there was a flu going around. :)
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There will be no excuses if we lose. I'll be here to take my lumps and congratulate you. The refs have more respect for Stoops than to pull that kind of crap against us.
 
#34
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VFL-82-JP said:
1. Vols fans, don't sell Mayfield short. He's a talented QB with a lot of quality targets down field. And despite a poor first showing, Perine isn't dog chow; we gotta keep a lid on him, too. But Mayfield is the key: our front seven gotta get him off balance early and keep him there. It's our best bet at winning the game.

2. Sooner fans, Josh Dobbs is gonna be a major problem for your team, but you really need to watch out for Jalen Hurd. He's your biggest issue, because he's going to keep you from shutting down the run game. And as you get frustrated with that, and keep pouring more resources into trying to stop Hurd, you're going to start exposing other openings that Dobbs will take advantage of with his arm.

Respect gotta go both ways. Two really fine football teams meeting in Neyland Saturday.
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This!
 
#36
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Parlay a money line BGU win vs Maryland for a large payout this weekend. If you parlay BGU and kentucky money line you get a 10x multiplier on payout, I'll come back to this post after this weekend..
 
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Jasooner said:
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@ the bolded

A walk on who has walked on at TWO D1 programs. Beat out a back-up who DEFEATED Tenn last year.

I always love when fans who clearly don't watch other teams try to comment a few days before a game. I thought Dobbs should've started last year against us....but that's besides the point.

Backup? We have no "backup" RB. They both start in the backfield. If you saw a "backup" it was #34 Daniel Brooks or #28 Alex Ross. You might wanna check Mixons highlights fom Sat before you use the word "struggle". Did the O-line struggle early on, yes. That's a concern for us.

Yes, we started slow in the first game. The same way Bama, TCU, Baylor many other schools started slow.

I see more OU fans respectful of Tenn talent than I see the other way around.

But it's cool though. We're 7-8 deep rotation on the D-line, probably the best of the Stoops era. Biggest WR corp of Stoops era (watch out for #81) and a OC who hopefully calls to our strengths.

only big concern i have is Dobbs running/converting 3rd and 6-7's and us not getting off the field. Running QBs are historically a thorn in Stoops side. Oh, and our 2ndary that is unproven based on the awful season last year.

Otherwise, we have no injuries, our kids want to play in neyland, everyones excited....I like our chances on paper and whatever happens happens.
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Y'all gon lose.
 
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Short and sweet... We need to abuse their oline the way they abused ours last year.

If that happens, much joy on Rocky Top Saturday night. If not, many of us will be lost consuming our corn from a jar.
 
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#39
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I've watched, read and analyzed the Defensive issues since the game Saturday. My observation is as follows:

1) BG has a really good offense and will win many games this year. They will beat Maryland Saturday.
2) The adjustments that were made at half time really showed in 2nd half. Great coaching on UT part especially with Martinez out. BG on got 3 more pts from 12 min mark left in 3rd quarter.
3) Linebackers were really neutralized due to passing game of BG and their extremely fast tempo.
4) 1st half playing straight man with 1 safety is easy to beat if you have 2 good receivers and a QB that can get the ball there. BG obviously has that and I'm giving credit where credit is due. Just because they play for BG doesn't mean they are not talented. There are many players playing on Sunday's that came from schools most of VN have never heard of.
5) It really seemed that the initial game plan was to play straight man, stop the run and put the pressure on BG Qb to make throws and he did.

So heading to OK game this week they have a decent QB who was a walk on at Texas Tech before transferring. I don't think he is anywhere close to as good as the BG QB who was a transfer from Western Kentucky.

OK has 2 true freshman starting on the Oline. Their halftime score against Akron was 14-3. Perrine struggled and so did the back up. Neither gained a 100 yds against Akron and in fact as a team only had 121 total yds.

Passing 388 with 76 of that on 1 play. They were on 4 of 13 on 3rd down against AKRON and gave up 2 sacks to them.

We win by 17 or more! Book it!!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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NOT so fast my friend! Points scored don't always tell the whole story. BGSU actually gained more offensive yards in the second half than the first.

Secondary had better tighten up!
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
2. Sooner fans, Josh Dobbs is gonna be a major problem for your team, but you really need to watch out for Jalen Hurd. He's your biggest issue, because he's going to keep you from shutting down the run game. And as you get frustrated with that, and keep pouring more resources into trying to stop Hurd, you're going to start exposing other openings that Dobbs will take advantage of with his arm.
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A dual QB is always a problem for any Defense. It basically makes it 11 vs 10 on an any given play. One defender has to account for the QB running.
 
#41
#41
Interesting that OU has the inexperienced o-line coming into the game this year, just as the Vols were in that position last season. To me, that could be the key to the game; how well our d-line can control the line of scrimmage. GBO!!
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I've watched, read and analyzed the Defensive issues since the game Saturday. My observation is as follows:

1) BG has a really good offense and will win many games this year. They will beat Maryland Saturday.
2) The adjustments that were made at half time really showed in 2nd half. Great coaching on UT part especially with Martinez out. BG on got 3 more pts from 12 min mark left in 3rd quarter.
3) Linebackers were really neutralized due to passing game of BG and their extremely fast tempo.
4) 1st half playing straight man with 1 safety is easy to beat if you have 2 good receivers and a QB that can get the ball there. BG obviously has that and I'm giving credit where credit is due. Just because they play for BG doesn't mean they are not talented. There are many players playing on Sunday's that came from schools most of VN have never heard of.
5) It really seemed that the initial game plan was to play straight man, stop the run and put the pressure on BG Qb to make throws and he did.

So heading to OK game this week they have a decent QB who was a walk on at Texas Tech before transferring. I don't think he is anywhere close to as good as the BG QB who was a transfer from Western Kentucky.

OK has 2 true freshman starting on the Oline. Their halftime score against Akron was 14-3. Perrine struggled and so did the back up. Neither gained a 100 yds against Akron and in fact as a team only had 121 total yds.

Passing 388 with 76 of that on 1 play. They were on 4 of 13 on 3rd down against AKRON and gave up 2 sacks to them.

We win by 17 or more! Book it!!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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Does this sound as crazy as a TennesseeDuke, or what?



A Duke in Tennessee, sure!
 
#45
#45
BG had a very effective trick. The QB had amazing timing with his receivers on go patterns, and it worked great until the red zone when the go patterns were negated by the back of the end zone.
To me the biggest adjustment UT made was becoming more of a bend don't break defense. They gave up more yards but a lot less points.
 
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#46
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ALGator said:
NOT so fast my friend! Points scored don't always tell the whole story. BGSU actually gained more offensive yards in the second half than the first.

Secondary had better tighten up!
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Combination of DB coach being suspended and great throws that were unbelievable. I'm worried but think the secondary will not give up the same passing yards.

(Walks away from keyboard and knocks on wood)
 
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#47
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Wish I could share the same enthusiasm as the OP but I just have this feeling...last year the game plan was to blitz the Tennessee QB..do that and win. This year its just throw the ball down the side of the field..
 
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#48
hohenfelsvol said:
Combination of DB coach being suspended and great throws that were unbelievable. I'm worried but think the secondary will not give up the same passing yards.

(Walks away from keyboard and knocks on wood)
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I am hoping that was the big problem.:crossfingers:
 
#49
#49
We've seen UT's DB's defend UT's WR's... who are just as athletic as OU's and more than BGSU's on the whole. It isn't talent. It isn't speed. It isn't even coaching. It appears that two things happened last Saturday. One, Williams just made some perfect throws that were played well by the WR's causing UT's younger DB's to lose some confidence. Two, UT's DB's at various times lost discipline and started trying to play "backyard".

I do not look for the latter to continue. The first issue is a more difficult fix without some good early success.
 
#50
#50
I heard a former NFL guy say our DB's were playing old school at line and it burned them. He said they should have turned their hips with the jam to be in motion sooner. Instead he said they were pressing facing forward and where already beat by the first couple steps. Will they do it again? What I do know is pressure was there on the bgsu QB but he got the ball out of his hands accurately. Can OU QB do same as often? Intensity from our D wil be through roof and complexity will be amplified as well. I've said 9-3 all offseason and could easily see OK being one of those 3.
 
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