No Vols expected to be drafted

#76
#76
Gandalf said:
But but but we have the talent, all it needs is good coaching and we should have been a 10 win team this year!

From one of the longest standing record of getting kids drafted every year to this, how our program has fallen. Butch really was the perfect storm. The shiny paint job with spinning gold rims while the engine and the transmission rusted out from underneath.
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If Butch was so bad, then how did we have three straight winning seasons with winning bowl games.
Yes, he was over his head in the SEC but he isn't Satan himself
He had to be a used car salesman and sell ideas because he couldn't coach on the SEC level. He sold hope in an effort to buy time to turn things around
 
#77
#77
Rudy123 said:
When NFL teams draft huge players based on their potential NOT their performance, guys like Daniel McCullers get drafted & McKenzie gets drafted.
No way KC drafted McKenzie based on his performance on the OLine because he didn't play O Line in college
Ty Shuttle is a big guy so he will be drafted to plug the home on defense to stop the run game
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I didn't say that NFL teams don't draft based on potential but it's less likely to happen than the NBA. McCullers had immense size and McKenzie is very athletic for someone his size. He has power and the lower body strength to be a lineman...a lot of untapped potential that may never come out. Tuttle is a big guy but honestly, he's not overly impressive and there are quite a bit of prospects around his size. He has flashes of being a good DT but he hasn't been consistent. Maybe injuries? Idk. But I think he will go in a late round and if he gets the right development he can be a contributing player.
 
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#78
Rudy123 said:
If Butch was so bad, then how did we have three straight winning seasons with winning bowl games.
Yes, he was over his head in the SEC but he isn't Satan himself
He had to be a used car salesman and sell ideas because he couldn't coach on the SEC level. He sold hope in an effort to buy time to turn things around
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Since you "should be" playing your jrs and Sr players, a coach's performance in Y1 is mostly due to the coaching of prior coaches. Once Y3+ hits, a coach has his own players that have been coached up by him. That was Butch's problem. He was recruiting stars, which made everything seem good. He was doing a terrible job of coaching them up, however, perhaps even teaching wrong things and the star talent was not a good fit for SEC type play. So the longer Butch coached, the worse the players got because there was nothing left from the coaching that came before. So he was able to get decent results at first but his lack of coaching began to show once his own players began to play. That probably contributed to the bad locker room attitude as somehow the better players understood that they were not getting what they needed to go to the NFL and either left physically or mentally.
 
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#79
GVol1966 said:
NFL analysts don’t know much, we all know ( or have been told on here) that we were vastly more talented than Mo. Vandy, SC jr etc and our 5-8 record is just from poor coaching
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You're not very good at this blue font stuff. My guess is that as bad as we have been we still have more players on an NFL roster from the last 4 seasons than MO, Vandy and SC.
 
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Rudy123 said:
When NFL teams draft huge players based on their potential NOT their performance, guys like Daniel McCullers get drafted & McKenzie gets drafted.
No way KC drafted McKenzie based on his performance on the OLine because he didn't play O Line in college
Ty Shuttle is a big guy so he will be drafted to plug the home on defense to stop the run game
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I would draft him on upside. His freshman year he looked like a first round pick and was so quick off the ball. We saw that at times this year (blocked kicks). I think he may be a late round guy who gms are sorry they passed on if he ever gets back to 100%
 
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Rudy123 said:
If Butch was so bad, then how did we have three straight winning seasons with winning bowl games.
Yes, he was over his head in the SEC but he isn't Satan himself
He had to be a used car salesman and sell ideas because he couldn't coach on the SEC level. He sold hope in an effort to buy time to turn things around
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It's pretty revealing when your team craters once you've got all your own guys in the program. It's the kind of thing that happened to Ray Goff, Mike Shula, Ron Zook etc.
 
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#82
#82
A few juniors would be drafted, Taylor I think had a legit shot...

of the Seniors I think Alexis Johnson, Kongbo, and TK have the best shot...depends on if all can Pro Day or combine and if they do how well they measure up.
 
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#85
Cartervol said:
Nah they'll draft them. I mean half the NFL is made up of pathetic losers. They play when they want and don't when they feel like it. Money has ruined the NFL game the players are beetches now.
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they should play for free? or should the owners get all the money?
 
#86
#86
I could see Tuttle or Johnson getting drafted late depending on what they do at the combine.
 
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#87
dcm3w said:
I didn't say that NFL teams don't draft based on potential but it's less likely to happen than the NBA. McCullers had immense size and McKenzie is very athletic for someone his size. He has power and the lower body strength to be a lineman...a lot of untapped potential that may never come out. Tuttle is a big guy but honestly, he's not overly impressive and there are quite a bit of prospects around his size. He has flashes of being a good DT but he hasn't been consistent. Maybe injuries? Idk. But I think he will go in a late round and if he gets the right development he can be a contributing player.
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Then it is not guaranteed but certainly possible for someone to be drafted in this year's draft
 
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dcm3w said:
I didn't say that NFL teams don't draft based on potential but it's less likely to happen than the NBA. McCullers had immense size and McKenzie is very athletic for someone his size. He has power and the lower body strength to be a lineman...a lot of untapped potential that may never come out. Tuttle is a big guy but honestly, he's not overly impressive and there are quite a bit of prospects around his size. He has flashes of being a good DT but he hasn't been consistent. Maybe injuries? Idk. But I think he will go in a late round and if he gets the right development he can be a contributing player.
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The injuries could be what scare people off from Tuttle. He has had two separate, very severe injuries that damaged his leg, knee, and ankle. Can't remember if they were all on the same leg or not.
 
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#90
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Rudy123 said:
If Butch was so bad, then how did we have three straight winning seasons with winning bowl games.
Yes, he was over his head in the SEC but he isn't Satan himself
He had to be a used car salesman and sell ideas because he couldn't coach on the SEC level. He sold hope in an effort to buy time to turn things around
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All of Butch's losing seasons occurred when R. Joshua Dobbs did not begin the season as the entrenched starter.
 
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#91
I was initially going to say "who would every think we have players that are draftable".. but them I remember Kamara
 
#93
#93
PulaskiVolFan said:
You're not very good at this blue font stuff. My guess is that as bad as we have been we still have more players on an NFL roster from the last 4 seasons than MO, Vandy and SC.
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I think I am pretty good at it!
My post was a reply to a post that said “no Vols expect to get drafted for 3rd time in 5 years). So wow we have really been loaded with talent I guess, huh? Most that have been were in the Barnett, Kamara, Dobbs, Sutton class that had a couple 9 win seasons.
 
#95
#95
Someone should figure out if any team in the country was worse than us over butchs time at underdeveloping talent. For the rankings we had in recruiting to send so few to the league I would bet we were one of the worst at developing players
 
#96
#96
GVol1966 said:
I think I am pretty good at it!
My post was a reply to a post that said “no Vols expect to get drafted for 3rd time in 5 years). So wow we have really been loaded with talent I guess, huh? Most that have been were in the Barnett, Kamara, Dobbs, Sutton class that had a couple 9 win seasons.
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Barnett’s was the class after Dobbs and Sutton. Kamara’s two after.
 
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illvol said:
I think the key is development more so than talent. We have had some talented people come here out of high school and not develop much beyond where they were when they came. It seems like in those years where people weren’t drafted we still had guys picked up via free agency because they had the talent but were projects due to not being developed.
I think if Pruitt can sell development that a stat like that won’t deter recruiting.
Just my $.02.
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Development is huge. Just look at our men’s basketball team. Granted, in football it takes longer as a single player doesn’t impact the game as much in football as in basketball, but development will make or break you in either sport.
 
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