No Up-And-Comers: Pay The Money for a Current Winner?

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Haslam's Browns made big bank this year. Butch is off the payroll shortly. The Pruitt lawsuit will last years.

It would probably take $10,000,000 (all-in) per year with 4 Years Guaranteed.

Put that deal out there and see who's interested.
 
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There aren't many proving winners available. Name someone outside of Freeze. And there coaching records that show they are proven winners.
 
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AstonRoyal said:
again, has nothing to do with having the money, we have it. It's about someone who would accept the job that isn't an up and comer
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Exactly. It's never been about the money. We have thrown insane offers at coaches before. It's about having an administration that will support the football program and give them what they need to be successful.

I honestly feel when we get a proven Athletic Director in office, we will be able to attract a proven Head Coach. We have an incredibly high recruiting budget, we gave Pruitt a large pool of funds to hire assistant coaches from, and we are able to pay good incentives and salaries. We have outstanding help from the academic side, and we have absurd community support. We have the things that we need. We just need a structure that supports a coach in what he envisions and wants to do. I think Boyd and Plowman are no nonsense people, and expect someone to run a clean program. I think if someone has intentions of bending or breaking the rules, today will steer them away from here.

I do think Tennessee is an attractive job. We have a 5* QB and 2 4* QBs, plus a Power 5 Transfer, we have a great SEC RB in Gray, along with some other solid options. Hyatt and Wideman have potential to be great as well. We have some good offensive linemen, and a lot of pieces on defense. The roster is in better shape than it was when Butch left. It just needs someone to come in and develop the talent, and recruit more. And it needs someone to give this team an offensive and defensive identity.
 
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I strongly suspect anyone who is at or near the top of the coaching game would want a contract written in blood and notarized by the Devil himself to be willing to come to Tennessee.

Or, you know, like, 12 million dollars a year. With a guaranteed buyout. Which is kind of like a contract written in blood, only its the Tennessee donors doing the bleeding.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Haslam's Browns made big bank this year. Butch is off the payroll shortly. The Pruitt lawsuit will last years.

It would probably take $10,000,000 (all-in) per year with 4 Years Guaranteed.

Put that deal out there and see who's interested.
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Pending an AD hire, which could be done within the week?

I would gauge interest from the names already mentioned, plus Chris Petersen & Troy Calhoun.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Haslam's Browns made big bank this year. Butch is off the payroll shortly. The Pruitt lawsuit will last years.

It would probably take $10,000,000 (all-in) per year with 4 Years Guaranteed.

Put that deal out there and see who's interested.
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You really think the university of Tennessee will offer anything close to 10 million a year🤣🤣🤣you're crazy
 
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There’s probably not anyone available right now who would come that’s worth that kind of $$.

They “could” certainly land a good coach....and it will probably cost....given the situation; however it won’t cost near that.....for what “could” be landed.
 
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Why would a proven winner walk into this ****show when he can get the same money without the baggage elsewhere? I highly doubt after that press conference today that Freeze even gets a call.
 
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Never mind anything else, you have to have a proven marching coach. One that can keep UT at the top of the marching chart.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
There aren't many proving winners available. Name someone outside of Freeze. And there coaching records that show they are proven winners.
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Their are agencies that review there records and inform the University about there findings.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
What do you consider "proven" though?
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P5 head coaching experience needs to be mandatory. No one hit wonders. Has to be some demonstration of sustained success. Minimum lifetime winning percentage in the .600-.650 range, the higher the better. Strongly prefer someone who built one or more rosters than someone who inherited a turnkey contender. It isn’t going to be a long list but it captures a lot of people who we talk about. When you look at those criteria, and give the last one the least weight, you see a group of coaches that includes Herman, Patterson, Freeze, Kelly, Gundy, Malzahn, Fickell, and Franklin. It also includes names that have been tossed around here in past searches but who don’t have much cache any more like Petrino, Pellini, Briles, Butch Davis, etc. This seems to be sweet spot where we’re always dipping a line and maybe getting a nibble, but not catching anything. We need to be patient and wait for one of these guys. Not necessarily one of these names, but someone with similar experience and success.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
P5 head coaching experience needs to be mandatory. No one hit wonders. Has to be some demonstration of sustained success. Minimum lifetime winning percentage in the .600-.650 range, the higher the better. Strongly prefer someone who built one or more rosters than someone who inherited a turnkey contender. It isn’t going to be a long list but it captures a lot of people who we talk about. When you look at those criteria, and give the last one the least weight, you see a group of coaches that includes Herman, Patterson, Freeze, Kelly, Gundy, Malzahn, Fickell, and Franklin. It also includes names that have been tossed around here in past searches but who don’t have much cache any more like Petrino, Pellini, Briles, Butch Davis, etc. This seems to be sweet spot where we’re always dipping a line and maybe getting a nibble, but not catching anything. We need to be patient and wait for one of these guys. Not necessarily one of these names, but someone with similar experience and success.
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Some pretty good logic there. I think you need a sample size that is bigger than just a few years to see sustained success. Decent list.

Herman I think is a underrated hire. Dude lost 3 games this year, and none of them by more than a touchdown. Texas just gets tired of chasing Oklahoma like we get tired of chasing Alabama. The only thing that makes me wary of Herman is that I have heard he is a total jerk. However, he is a Mensa member, and the guy is brilliant offensively. I'd be thrilled with Herman.

Patterson is never going to leave TCU. A few years ago, he would have. But I feel like that's a pipe dream now.

Freeze, I'm just now convinced that they are not going to get anyone with significant and recent NCAA baggage. And I'm not sold on him as a head coach. He will beat Saban, but lose the games he shouldn't. That seems infuriating.

Chip Kelly, just no. I think his offense would explode in a bad way in the SEC. He hasn't impressed at UCLA at all.

Gundy should be popping up in the rumors any hour now looking for a raise from us.

Malzahn, I'd be totally happy with, but not sure that Steele would go well with that.

Fickell, sure. He has done well at Cincy. But his son just signed an NLI to play for Cincy. Seems unlikely he would transfer.

Franklin...again, NCAA issues.

Briles, Petrino....NCAA issues.

I think a lot of it comes down to "How firm will they be in upholding integrity?" If the NCAA has handed out penalties, then you're free to hire whoever. But if they haven't yet? First off, good luck getting a coach to come in when penalties aren't known. But secondly, they're not going to hire a guy with NCAA issues and then say "But we're running a squeaky clean program here!"

I would not want to be the ones making these decisions. Good luck to our AD, whoever he is.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
There aren't many proving winners available. Name someone outside of Freeze. And there coaching records that show they are proven winners.
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Gus Malzahn

Head coaching record Overall 77–38 (college)

Tom Herman

Head coaching record Overall 54–22 Bowls 5–0
 
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rgcvols98 said:
Gus Malzahn

Head coaching record Overall 77–38 (college)

Tom Herman

Head coaching record Overall 54–22 Bowls 5–0
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Malzahn is out will not happen because of Steele from what I've heard.
Herman with Steele as DC I could get on board with that
 
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What's the sentence of NCAA issues in TN fans minds? Reason I'm asking is that Freeze's issue were 5 years ago. Other coaches mentioned have been longer ago and people are saying OH NO he had issues. Not many Mr. Cleans with great winning percentages
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Haslam's Browns made big bank this year. Butch is off the payroll shortly. The Pruitt lawsuit will last years.

It would probably take $10,000,000 (all-in) per year with 4 Years Guaranteed.

Put that deal out there and see who's interested.
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Arkansas OC Kendal Briles would be interesting.
 
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Heres the thing though that most people on here forget. We can talk about and pontificate about who UT should hire as their next coach. I've seen Lane Kiffin, Bob Stoops, Hugh Freeze and many other top names in the coaching business names being thrown around. But if you all have forgotten 3 years ago, we were turned down by multiple coaches Gundy, Venebles and other coaches. Nobody wants this job, Freeze isn't coming here, Stoops wouldn't take this job, Kiffin would rather stay at Ole Miss then come to UT...UT football has been a train wreck for over a decade now, so we may not want an up and comer but those are the only coaches that would even consider us. GBO! #RealityCheck
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Haslam's Browns made big bank this year. Butch is off the payroll shortly. The Pruitt lawsuit will last years.

It would probably take $10,000,000 (all-in) per year with 4 Years Guaranteed.

Put that deal out there and see who's interested.
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You are not going to get anyone with this debacle for a while. It will be someone out of coaching (Marrone) Tee or Steele who is already on staff or an up and coming program builder (Chadwell) Freeze is not coming!
 
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According to our money guy we are loaded and money is no option. Here he is counting what we saved by getting rid of Pruitt:

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Here are some possible up and comer candidates

Kendal Briles
Tony Elliott
Dan Lanning
Graham Harrell
Jim Leonhard
Will Healy
Bill Clark
Justin Wilcox
Scott Satterfield
Tony Alford
 
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