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Was anyone else confused as to why UT didn't use either of their two remaining timeouts during Vandy's last drive? If Vandy makes the field goal, we're looking at a kick-off return with 30 seconds left needing to go down the field for a winning field goal. However, if Vandy makes and UT had effectively managed the clock on defense, we would have had over a minute to move the ball downfield. Thankfully, the kick missed, but this would have gone down as a terrible coaching blunder if that kick goes through and UT doesn't have enough time to respond.

That said, I'm thankful for the win and we are still alive in the SEC title race. Go get 'em in Lexington on Saturday and Atlanta, here we come.
 
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I thought about that too. I think if Vandy had gotten into more reasonable FG range we might have started burning timeouts. IMO calling timeouts before the ball got inside our 30 yard line would have been doing Vandy a favor as bad as they looked offensively.
 
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GAVol said:
I thought about that too. I think if Vandy had gotten into more reasonable FG range we might have started burning timeouts. IMO calling timeouts before the ball got inside our 30 yard line would have been doing Vandy a favor as bad as they looked offensively.
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I was thinking the same.
 
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When Vandy completed a two yard pass on 2nd and 13 with about 1:30 left on the clock, I believe we should have called timeout. The next play began at 0:55, which was an incomplete pass, setting up the field goal attempt with 0:45 remaining. If we call timeout at 1:30 and Vandy makes, we end up receiving the kick with more than a minute remaining and one timeout remaining.
 
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If their drive had ended when it should have, with a no call on the pass interference, the field goal was a pipe dream, at best.
 
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But calling a timeout allows Vandy to calm down and focus on the 3rd down play. As it turns out, it may have been a "terrible coaching blunder", as you put it, for Vandy to not call a time out in that situation.
 
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I agree that a timeout could have helped Vandy set up for a better play on 3rd and 11. Clearly that was the thinking of our coaching staff, and it's a gamble either way. I'm simply interested in how many see it each way.
 
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i was more worried about why we called a timeout to ice our own kicker... seems like we save that in case we have to go down the field with less than a minute to go. It worked out in the end okay but based on odds, i have no idea why u call that timeout
 
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7IlikeOrange7 said:
i was more worried about why we called a timeout to ice our own kicker... seems like we save that in case we have to go down the field with less than a minute to go. It worked out in the end okay but based on odds, i have no idea why u call that timeout
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They wanted to eat up as much clock as possible and didn't want to take a delay of game penalty to make the kick longer.

Coaches play head games all the time, but I'd really like to see the stats on "icing" a kicker. I'd bet there's not an appreciable difference between icing and not icing.
 
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Our defense had completely shut down the Vandy offense the last time they had the ball. Our coaches probably felt like me at that point, Vandy has no chance of moving the ball into FG range. Put all the pressure on them by not giving them a T.O. to calm down and plan and it is likely they will go 3 and out. That almost happened, should have happened, if not for that pass int call. Even with that call, they still moved backwards on more plays than they moved forward. I believe that was the reason.

But, with all that, I still think it would not have been a bad idea to use them because if they did happen to get close enough to hit it then we were almost buried.

Personally, I was surprised they kicked it instead of going for it. Their FG kicker is horrible and had been particularly bad from outside 40+ yards this season.
 
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well I can only say I am glad he missed it. We need to play better against the cats saturday thats for sure.
 
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GAVol said:
They wanted to eat up as much clock as possible and didn't want to take a delay of game penalty to make the kick longer.

Coaches play head games all the time, but I'd really like to see the stats on "icing" a kicker. I'd bet there's not an appreciable difference between icing and not icing.
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They talked about this very thing early in the year on 680 here in Atlanta and the stats show that kickers made more when a timeout was called. I forget the actual percentages but I know it was better.
 
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GAVol said:
They wanted to eat up as much clock as possible and didn't want to take a delay of game penalty to make the kick longer.

Coaches play head games all the time, but I'd really like to see the stats on "icing" a kicker. I'd bet there's not an appreciable difference between icing and not icing.
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It still makes no sense while Fulmer burned a TO against SC to do it...then does it to his own man.

We wouldn't have gotten the kick off with anymore than 5 secs on the clock anyway. I seriously doubt burning that TO was worth the 2-3 seconds it saved.
 
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MariettaVol said:
Was anyone else confused as to why UT didn't use either of their two remaining timeouts during Vandy's last drive? If Vandy makes the field goal, we're looking at a kick-off return with 30 seconds left needing to go down the field for a winning field goal. However, if Vandy makes and UT had effectively managed the clock on defense, we would have had over a minute to move the ball downfield. Thankfully, the kick missed, but this would have gone down as a terrible coaching blunder if that kick goes through and UT doesn't have enough time to respond.

That said, I'm thankful for the win and we are still alive in the SEC title race. Go get 'em in Lexington on Saturday and Atlanta, here we come.
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Poor clock management i.e. coaching. I watched the coach of Nevada do the same thing against Hawai'i and they ran out of time after returning the subsequent ko to their own 35, but they were short 30 seconds. I believe certain coaches can't accept the fact that teams can go 30-40 yds in just a couple of plays, old school football mentality.
 
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MariettaVol said:
I agree that a timeout could have helped Vandy set up for a better play on 3rd and 11. Clearly that was the thinking of our coaching staff, and it's a gamble either way. I'm simply interested in how many see it each way.
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I had not heard the "odds" thing about..more successful after a time out...
My simple thinkin' was....

Save the time outs for a drive back down the field.

From what I've read in the Nsh' TN... and Knox News....Ainge..."knew we were gonna' win"...so..maybe that was the ..mind set on the sidelines!!

Go Vols!!
 
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