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Just wanted to get your opinions on why we didn't test Cal over the top last night. Was it the young, inexperienced receivers? Ainge's pinky? Or just poor play calling? When it became obvious we wouldn't keep them honest by going long, Cal took advantage and cheated up. Can't figure out why we didn't give it a shot at least once...
 
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GreatWhiteNorth said:
Just wanted to get your opinions on why we didn't test Cal over the top last night. Was it the young, inexperienced receivers? Ainge's pinky? Or just poor play calling? When it became obvious we wouldn't keep them honest by going long, Cal took advantage and cheated up. Can't figure out why we didn't give it a shot at least once...
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i think it was a combination of both of these. obviously, though, ainge is not going to be able to throw the distance that he can when is 100%. the fingers being tapped together would affect it somehwhat IMO.
 
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if ainge couldnt throw long because of his pinky, they should have brought in crompton. at least he can go deep
 
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givem6 said:
if ainge couldnt throw long because of his pinky, they should have brought in crompton. at least he can go deep
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just because he can go deep doesn't mean it will be as accuarate. crompton shouldnt have been in the game unless he absolutely had to last night
 
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At first i thought we were just giving the new recievers easy passes to get their confidence up. It looked like Ainge was fine on all his throws and the recievers were doing pretty good so i don't know what the deal is.
 
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vols kick balls said:
At first i thought we were just giving the new recievers easy passes to get their confidence up. It looked like Ainge was fine on all his throws and the recievers were doing pretty good so i don't know what the deal is.
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Go for a long pass on 3rd and long when we're down by two scores with time running out? That's just what they'll be expecting us to do...
 
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kptvol said:
Go for a long pass on 3rd and long when we're down by two scores with time running out? That's just what they'll be expecting us to do...
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I see. Now I understand why we go to shotgun on the 3 yard line instead of trying to pound it in. That is what they would be expecting us to do to. You just made it so clear:)
 
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vols kick balls said:
I see. Now I understand why we go to shotgun on the 3 yard line instead of trying to pound it in. That is what they would be expecting us to do to. You just made it so clear:)
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Seriously though, why would you have Lucas Taylor try to run up the middle of the line at the goal line? He's a small guy and it seems like the only chance he'd have of doing something would be when the defense is more spread out so he could use his speed. That's why running backs like Tiki Barber and Barry Sanders were sometimes taken out of the game at the goal line. Put in the big guys and let them just fall forward. Lucas Taylor might be the smallest guy on the team. Ainge and his broken right hand split wide all by himself on the left side of the field really fooled a lot of people.
 
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I just can't figure it out...several times we'd have the ball 2nd and 1, and I thought for sure they'd go for something over the top. Or right after picking up a first down on a running play. I'm starting to think it was more poor play calling than anything.
 
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they were expecting us to dump off thats why they were right there everytime all game. foster made them miss that one time but they knew where it was going.
 
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I wondered the same thing. Is Ainge not able to throw the ball long because of the injury or is it the poor pass protection?

I think everyone else loads the line of scrimmage, and takes away the running and short passing game.

If Southern Miss does this UT might get upset.
 
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You can bet USM will force UT to prove that we can beat them over the top. Until we do, they'll be stacking the line of scrimmage.
 
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duckman398686 said:
just because he can go deep doesn't mean it will be as accuarate. crompton shouldnt have been in the game unless he absolutely had to last night
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he might not have been as accuarate, i dont know, maybe he could have but deep in the game and the short stuff isnt working and if ainge couldnt go deep, then why not try? i mean you are going to lose anyway. i mean its hard to take a vet out the game and he made some nice throws where you had no time for error that crompton might not make under pressure maybe he does but why keep going underneath after you see its not going to work anymore. I guess it was really a no win situation.
 
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Hopefully, well play other WR's next week...
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thats what im saying.. All three of Cals WR's were freakin speed demons.
and yea, i really wish UT would have thrown a long ball at least once.. I mean, what would it have hurt.. u kno..
 
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I think Austin Rogers and Lucas Taylor did ok, but I'd like to see Kenny O'neal or some one else try and get the long balls down
 
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kptvol said:
Seriously though, why would you have Lucas Taylor try to run up the middle of the line at the goal line?
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It wasn't a run up the middle, but it was a really weird playcalling sequence.
 
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smokeyman15 said:
I think Austin Rogers and Lucas Taylor did ok, but I'd like to see Kenny O'neal or some one else try and get the long balls down
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Kenny O'Neal got a shot at a post pattern, but it looked like he never looked for the football.
 
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GAVol said:
It wasn't a run up the middle, but it was a really weird playcalling sequence.
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Well yeah, I thought maybe he was going to try to take it outside, but when that obviously wasn't open, he just tried to push behind the right side of the line. That's what I remember. Does that sound a little more accurate?
 
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GAVol said:
Kenny O'Neal got a shot at a post pattern, but it looked like he never looked for the football.
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Pretty similar to what happened on the second pass thrown Vinson's way. Except that pass wasn't really catchable.
 
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Okay, listen close here...

Ainge could have his pinky finger amputated and it wouldn't make any difference in his ability to throw. It might affect his grip on the ball, but the pinky has NO effect on how far, how accurate, or how hard the ball can be thrown.

The reason there were no long passes is because the pass blocking was average at best. In the fourth quarter especially, Cal's defense was getting a lot of pressure up front and their DBs were sinking back into either a deep-3 or possibly a deep-4 to take away any possibility of long passing. Of course, it would make no difference because the LT wouldn't allow Ainge enough time to get a 7-step drop anyway.

Third, Lucas Taylor running an option from in close was a terrific call. The reason the play didn't work was because the DT (don't remember number) zipped between the backside guard and center; when #94 forced Taylor back inside, the DT (who should have been sealed off entirely) was there. It was poor execution up front that destroyed that play. Get the block, it's a touchdown. There's no excuse for a guard being unable to seal off a three-foot gap before a DT gets to the heel's depth. The center really should've just jabbed backside with his left hand as he advanced playside; it might have provided just enough of a delay to help the guard.
 
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