Nick Stephens

[JoseDaMofo]

Why did he not let Stephens go as well? He doesn't have to run a player off to prove to a recruit that he has a spot fo him. Take Scroggins for instance, the depth chart at USC didn't bother him. If LK does what Carroll says he does, the spot is there for the taking, no matter who is there before you.

Stephens is also older, no? And we're also not USC, making top 10 finishes, winning BCS bowls (making them even), and having multiple 10-win seasons. Depth concern can be overcome by a consistently good/great program. We've been consistently mediocre with a few blips on the radar over the past 7 years.

 

[BeecherVol]

Stephens is also older, no? And we're also not USC, making top 10 finishes, winning BCS bowls (making them even), and having multiple 10-win seasons. Depth concern can be overcome by a consistently good/great program. We've been consistently mediocre with a few blips on the radar over the past 7 years.

What does Stephens being older have anything to do with it. Im not sure I buy into the LK let BJ go anyway. BJ left cause he did not see himself in the picture. Call him a quiter, whatever.

Your USC line proved my point tho. You assume that LK moved BJ out the door to make it more appealing for a future recruit. Scroggins for at least 2 months was our main target. So the depth chart at UT and USC did not matter. He chose a school that he may never see the field for. Over one, that under your theory, was making room for him.

Doesn't make sense to me.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

What does Stephens being older have anything to do with it.

Umm...a lot? That's an extra year of riding the bench for a recruit.

Your USC line proved my point tho. You assume that LK moved BJ out the door to make it more appealing for a future recruit. Scroggins for at least 2 months was our main target. So the depth chart at UT and USC did not matter. He chose a school that he may never see the field for. Over one, that under your theory, was making room for him.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you implying that recruits don't care about depth charts?

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

Eric Berry and Bryce Brown had no problem signing with a team who had a losing record prior to their respective years.

While I do agree that winning is more attractive and a great recruiting tool, a lot of Kiffin's plan is geared towards the future as well. He has a free pass this year, in all reality. Do I think he's going to squander it? No. Just saying, he has some leeway, and I believe that was Coleman's fate.

Yeah, we may still get some great recruits even though we have a losing season. This staff is filled with some awesome recruiters...plus these kids have different perceptions on what they want in a school...some like facilities, some like tradition, some like playing in front of 100,000 fans, some like education better...so there is a lot of different factors playing into it...

Bottom line, there are more factors in recruiting than just winning, but winning sure is the foundation I would want to build on...and part of that is playing the best players...nuff said bout that...

Having gotten that out of the way, I personally feel Stephens will end up being our best option at the beginning of the season...JMO, but the coaches get paid the big $$ for a reason and I will be fine with whoever they play

 

[allvol17]

<snip> Is it wrong to think our HC would be so undermining?

Yes.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

Umm...a lot? That's an extra year of riding the bench for a recruit.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you implying that recruits don't care about depth charts?

Some don't...look up Scrog...

We're beating a dead horse here :horse:

 

[mtvols]

I think it is Crompton's job to lose, which he may do when we play Florida. I wouldn't be surprised if Stephens is the starter by mid-season. Lamiason could factor in by mid-season. I think Rozier was just brought in to be a practice player.

 

[allvol17]

I do agree that winning is priority #1. But think outside the box. If winning now hinders winning later, as opposed to losing a few now, and winning more later, what's your take? You fail to realize that Kiffin pretty much has at least 2 years to do as he pleases regardless of record.

I fail to see how winning now would hinder winning later. After all the biotching about Scroggins as a QB, he wasn't deterred by the better QBs or all the winning at SoCal.

If Kiffin puts a very good to great offense on the field THIS year, recruits will take notice and come in droves (hopefully). His mouth got us noticed again, now his work ethic, judgement, and coaching ability (and the other coaches also) have to back up the talk and they have to do it NOW.

The alternative is that the bluster looks like the rantings of a spoiled child as the media has painted him.

I trust them. They know what's at stake. Trust me when I say that no one at this level ever, ever, EVER, likes to loose at anything.

 

[BeecherVol]

Umm...a lot? That's an extra year of riding the bench for a recruit.



I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you implying that recruits don't care about depth charts?

Are you trying to say Scroggins has a easier road to play at USC, than he would here.

USC QB - Matt Barkley FR - #1 Overall prospect last year

UT - 2 unproven QBs (to this point), One is a JR, the other is a SR.

To answer your question, YES, in this situation the depth chart did not mean much.

 

[imavolsfanforlife]

he (Crompton) just doesn't seem to have the heart or head for it."
GO VOLS!! 31 more days!!!:rock:

We can thank our idiot fans making multiple death threats for this. Who here ever experienced that before around the age of 21? We can also thank our system for having to learn his fourth offense in a row. Fact is, Crompton is a victom of circumstance. He had enough talent to develop into a fine quarterback. Personally, I've thought Stephens was the better quarterback at this point for a while... but I don't attribute that nearly as much to Crompton's ability or lack thereof, work ethic, heart, etc... as I have to everything listed above. With all that said, I hope he wins the starting job... but at the same time, I love my Vols and I believe our program needs some wins. This season could solitify a recruiting class that's better than last years if we surprise some people and put us ahead of schedule. If not, it could be the opposite. Either way, I do believe that we will fine--and this quarterback issue is contained to the next three years at most. Or, it could be gone starting our first game against WKU. We shall see.

 

[VolsDeep]

We can thank our idiot fans making multiple death threats for this. Who here ever experienced that before around the age of 21? We can also thank our system for having to learn his fourth offense in a row. Fact is, Crompton is a victom of circumstance. He had enough talent to develop into a fine quarterback. Personally, I've thought Stephens was the better quarterback at this point for a while... but I don't attribute that nearly as much to Crompton's ability or lack thereof, work ethic, heart, etc... as I have to everything listed above. With all that said, I hope he wins the starting job... but at the same time, I love my Vols and I believe our program needs some wins. This season could solitify a recruiting class that's better than last years if we surprise some people and put us ahead of schedule. If not, it could be the opposite. Either way, I do believe that we will fine--and this quarterback issue is contained to the next three years at most. Or, it could be gone starting our first game against WKU. We shall see.

:clap: Exactly right.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Are you trying to say Scroggins has a easier road to play at USC, than he would here.

USC QB - Matt Barkley FR - #1 Overall prospect last year

UT - 2 unproven QBs (to this point), One is a JR, the other is a SR.

To answer your question, YES, in this situation the depth chart did not mean much.

Awesome, and they also have a dominant program over the past decade. We don't. Therefore, we're in need of selling any and all points to recruits, and depth is a big pitch. Just because Scroggins didn't care about PT doesn't mean no other QB doesn't either.

 

[wkhardplayhard]

Instead of tearing down, why don't we build up? Seems like all these threads and posts are so negative. It's getting old...new slate...new year... new team

 

[VOLinCO]

Awesome, and they also have a dominant program over the past decade. We don't. Therefore, we're in need of selling any and all points to recruits, and depth is a big pitch. Just because Scroggins didn't care about PT doesn't mean no other QB doesn't either.

Looking at the 17 4-star QBs on Rivals, it appears that many of the schools to which they have committed have Freshman or RS Freshman QBs on their roster that were rated as higher or higher. Also, many of the programs have had good and bad years over the last decade. However, most did well the last season or two.

Depth can be overrated in recruiting. However, I do think it is fair to say that kids want to be part of a winning program. Kiffin knows this and will put those who give the team the best chance of winning on the field.

 

[BigOrangeFanatic]

Instead of tearing down, why don't we build up? Seems like all these threads and posts are so negative. It's getting old...new slate...new year... new team

Once again, we're :horse:

The staff will not, and repeat, will not play someone just because they are trying to prove a point to a recruit...regardless of age, position, or any other reason...best players will play period

 

[tennfanatic]

We can thank our idiot fans making multiple death threats for this. Who here ever experienced that before around the age of 21? We can also thank our system for having to learn his fourth offense in a row. Fact is, Crompton is a victom of circumstance. He had enough talent to develop into a fine quarterback. Personally, I've thought Stephens was the better quarterback at this point for a while... but I don't attribute that nearly as much to Crompton's ability or lack thereof, work ethic, heart, etc... as I have to everything listed above. With all that said, I hope he wins the starting job... but at the same time, I love my Vols and I believe our program needs some wins. This season could solitify a recruiting class that's better than last years if we surprise some people and put us ahead of schedule. If not, it could be the opposite. Either way, I do believe that we will fine--and this quarterback issue is contained to the next three years at most. Or, it could be gone starting our first game against WKU. We shall see.

You make a valid point here. It would be very difficult to learn that many offenses in such a short time. I do agree its not all Crompton's fault. Crompton just does not do the little things that a QB should possess like leadership, and jumping his teammates butts when they are slacking. I could be completely wrong on him but he just looks like he is going through the motions and just wants the game to hurry and be over with.

 

[ptclaus98]

Eric Berry and Bryce Brown had no problem signing with a team who had a losing record prior to their respective years.

While I do agree that winning is more attractive and a great recruiting tool, a lot of Kiffin's plan is geared towards the future as well. He has a free pass this year, in all reality. Do I think he's going to squander it? No. Just saying, he has some leeway, and I believe that was Coleman's fate.

Eric Berry signed in 2007. I see that mistake a lot on here, how the hell do you guys forget that miserable season that was in 2005? Were you all that drunk?

 

[GVF]

Call it a generation gap or whatever, but I got lost in this thread on the "Being a Ginger" thing. I'm leaning toward what I think that means, but didn't want to wrongly speculate.

 

[Panthro]

Call it a generation gap or whatever, but I got lost in this thread on the "Being a Ginger" thing. I'm leaning toward what I think that means, but didn't want to wrongly speculate.

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[ptclaus98]

Call it a generation gap or whatever, but I got lost in this thread on the "Being a Ginger" thing. I'm leaning toward what I think that means, but didn't want to wrongly speculate.

Red hair, freckles, that's all it means, there was a South Park episode where Cartman tried to lead them in world domination or something.

 

[treytn]

unlike other seasons I'll trust the coaches to put out the person who gives us the best chance of winning. Don't really care which one that is at this point

Our offensive coaches are the best in the business ('cept Reaves) and will make a Heisman contender out of an average quarterback. iow, don't worry!

 

[BeecherVol]

Awesome, and they also have a dominant program over the past decade. We don't. Therefore, we're in need of selling any and all points to recruits, and depth is a big pitch. Just because Scroggins didn't care about PT doesn't mean no other QB doesn't either.

If we use the any and all points method to recruiting a QB, he should have taken Stephens out of the equation as well. If he ain't here, he can't compete. I guess if LK could successfully run off any competion a incoming freshman QB would have, surely we would get on then.

We haven't got one yet, and to this point, there is no reason why we shouldn't.

I mean heck, BJ is gone, word is Crompton is gonna be the starter, which means Stephens is not any good. We should have 2 committed by now. What would a QB be waiting on to commit?

I have posted my last remarks for this discussion, and you have not changed my mind, or made any sense at all to me.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Looking at the 17 4-star QBs on Rivals, it appears that many of the schools to which they have committed have Freshman or RS Freshman QBs on their roster that were rated as higher or higher. Also, many of the programs have had good and bad years over the last decade. However, most did well the last season or two.

Depth can be overrated in recruiting. However, I do think it is fair to say that kids want to be part of a winning program. Kiffin knows this and will put those who give the team the best chance of winning on the field.

Fair enough. You very well may have a good point. Not completely sold on the fact that Coleman didn't have a fair shot due to recruiting, but I'm not really all too concerned about it.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

Eric Berry signed in 2007. I see that mistake a lot on here, how the hell do you guys forget that miserable season that was in 2005? Were you all that drunk?

You obviously didn't notice the almost immediately proceeding post that corrected my statement.

 

[JoseDaMofo]

If we use the any and all points method to recruiting a QB, he should have taken Stephens out of the equation as well. If he ain't here, he can't compete. I guess if LK could successfully run off any competion a incoming freshman QB would have, surely we would get on then.

We haven't got one yet, and to this point, there is no reason why we shouldn't.

I mean heck, BJ is gone, word is Crompton is gonna be the starter, which means Stephens is not any good. We should have 2 committed by now. What would a QB be waiting on to commit?

I have posted my last remarks for this discussion, and you have not changed my mind, or made any sense at all to me.

Somebody's freaking out just a tad bit too much..

What part of Nick Stephens being older do you not get? By the time any other QB came into the scene the guy will be a senior meaning 1 whole year of bench sitting -- tops.

Why are you taking everything I say to the extreme? I'm not implying that depth chart is the biggest and most convincing pitch, I'm merely saying that depth can and has been a deciding factor for recruits. Having said that, I believe CLK wasn't sold on Coleman, and wanting a top-flight QB from his own recruitment. Did I say he ran him out of town? No, in fact, I never said that. I just don't think he was given the fairest of opportunities given his, in my opinion, better performance over the course of the spring. Am I losing any sleep or upset with this decision? No. If that were to actually be the case, I'd actually be perfectly fine with it, in all reality. I'm just making discussion. So let's chill out a little bit here.