Nick Stephens

#51
#51
I'm gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say that this year the o-line will perform dramatically better than last year. This will give the quarterback more time, which will lead to a vast improvement in QB play, regardless of who it is. That, paired with a better offensive scheme, will make this offense look head and shoulders better than last year in all facets.

Basically, I think the offense Clawson was installing was far too cerebral and wholly different from the prior system so the players failed, because they couldn't adapt, not because they lack the skills or the heart.
 
#52
#52
i have a feeling that stephens will beat out crompton halfway through fall camp... stephens looked far better then crompton last year and he seems a bit more confident and has what it takes to do all right this year
 
#55
#55
JoseDaMofo said:
I do agree that winning is priority #1. But think outside the box. If winning now hinders winning later, as opposed to losing a few now, and winning more later, what's your take? You fail to realize that Kiffin pretty much has at least 2 years to do as he pleases regardless of record.
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Oh yeah that makes alot of sense, NOT! USC dosn't seem to have a problem recruiting top level QBs every year and winning why should we?
 
#56
#56
JoseDaMofo said:
I do agree that winning is priority #1. But think outside the box. If winning now hinders winning later, as opposed to losing a few now, and winning more later, what's your take? You fail to realize that Kiffin pretty much has at least 2 years to do as he pleases regardless of record.
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What are you suggesting? Lose a few now, to win more later? What exactly does that mean? We are gonna pretty much have the same roster of possibilities next year, less Crompton.
 
#57
#57
hog88 said:
Oh yeah that makes alot of sense, NOT! USC dosn't seem to have a problem recruiting top level QBs every year and winning why should we?
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USC has established itself as a national power under Carroll. We have quite a bit of work to do before we are even close to that level, especially playing in the SEC. But if we're patient enough, we can get there. JMO
 
#59
#59
BeecherVol said:
What are you suggesting? Lose a few now, to win more later? What exactly does that mean? We are gonna pretty much have the same roster of possibilities next year, less Crompton.
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I don't necessarily even mean "losing" games. Just using Crompton as a QB very well may help land a top-flight QB, as opposed to starting Stephens all in respects to depth. I'm not even saying that's going to be the case, just a possible scenario.

Although, I'm more so convinced that's why Coleman is no longer with the team, honestly.
 
#60
#60
hog88 said:
Oh yeah that makes alot of sense, NOT! USC dosn't seem to have a problem recruiting top level QBs every year and winning why should we?
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Yea, my bad. I forgot we also have a Matt Barkeley(sp?) waiting in the wings along with a Rose Bowl victory over Penn St last year. Oh wait, we weren't even bowling come December last year..

Bad logic.
 
#61
#61
At this point, the most important thing for recruiting or the future of the program is to win games... win the ones they're supposed to and one or two that they're not supposed to. They have to "show up" ever single game and not roll over for the likes of UF and Bama again.

The only player who might have inhibited UT's QB recruiting now plays for UTC.

Lamaison is JUCO... that won't scare any top QB's off. Sitting behind Stephens for a season might even be a comfort to some of the smarter ones. Kiffin has promised to start the best and doing that will only help recruiting no matter who the starter is.

good/better/best ALL equal getting as many wins and looking as competitive as possible in every game.
 
#62
#62
JoseDaMofo said:
I don't necessarily even mean "losing" games. Just using Crompton as a QB very well may help land a top-flight QB, as opposed to starting Stephens all in respects to depth. I'm not even saying that's going to be the case, just a possible scenario.

Although, I'm more so convinced that's why Coleman is no longer with the team, honestly.
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Ain't seeing it. If Crompton is the best QB by the coaches standards, and gives us the best chance to win right now. We roll with him, and don't look back. Playing a QB for a season to lure a QB, that will not help us for 2 yrs. anyway, will not happen.
 
#63
#63
BigOrangeFanatic said:
This staff will put the best QB on the field period...no mind games at all...Winning is priority number 1 at this point

If you don't win, you don't keep your job very long at this level...whichever QB gives us the best shot at winning will be on the field regardless of age or anything else
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quasi-conspiracy theories about the QB position. Unless Kiffin and his staff are idiots, their task at QB is simple: Find a guy who's got the goods and can win games, beat florida. While I question how Kiffin handled the QB from Nooga, I trust he won't be an idiot with the most important position on the field. If Stephens is the best of this group, play him. Kiffin does seem quite infatuated with California QBs--almost determined to sign a Cal.-bred QB. That's interesting to me--but then they do have a lot of good ones in that state.
 
#64
#64
If Kiffin sacrifices wins this year in the hopes of landing a future star QB then... it might become part of the reason he doesn't survive to see that star become the starter.

Kiffin needs to prove something THIS year. He's got a thin team but his first line players are pretty experienced. He's got 4 returning OL's, 4 DL's with good experience, an experienced secondary, experienced WR's, a very experienced RB, two experienced TE's, two experienced QB's... then after this season at least half those experienced guys will be gone.

In short, 2009 needs to be the year that wins him credibility with top recruits because 2010 looks to be a fairly lean year.
 
#65
#65
JoseDaMofo said:
I do agree that winning is priority #1. But think outside the box. If winning now hinders winning later, as opposed to losing a few now, and winning more later, what's your take? You fail to realize that Kiffin pretty much has at least 2 years to do as he pleases regardless of record.
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Why would you ever wanna lose, regardless if its past present or future?

Makes absolutely no sense to play certain players just to try to gain a recruiting edge...winning will be the best recruiting edge...and plus, why would you want to play for a staff that's not going to go by the attitude of playing the best players period. This is what the last staff failed to do, and is part of the reason they are no longer with us...Kiffin has already made the promise of playing the best, and I think he is going to stand by it...
 
#66
#66
I don't know how anyone can continue to question Kiffin's handling of Coleman. It basically boils down to Coleman wanting guarantees (like he might have gotten from CPF) and Kiffin refusing to give them. Few others seemed to have a problem with the concept of competing and claiming the #1 spot... All the rest of it was a side show in part fueled by Coleman's emotional reaction to giving up on his dream.
 
#67
#67
All these posts assume that one QB will stick out as better than the other. I'm not casting my judgment as to which is better. I'm just saying, I think Crompton will start -- especially if the two are "equal" after fall camp has been completed. If nothing else, than due to the fact that it has a possibility of being more favorable to recruiting. In this scenario, which is a real possibility in itself, has no/less of a downside than if Stephens were to start. And if you do see a downside, feel free to speak on it, for I'm not seeing one.

I know this comes off as the "quasi-conspiracy" theory, but the idea that Stephens and Crompton aren't going to separate from each other is what I'm basing this off of. I'm just not sold on their [mental] abilities to lead this team. JMO
 
#68
#68
MisterOrange said:
I'm gonna go ahead and go out on a limb and say that this year the o-line will perform dramatically better than last year. This will give the quarterback more time, which will lead to a vast improvement in QB play, regardless of who it is. That, paired with a better offensive scheme, will make this offense look head and shoulders better than last year in all facets.

Basically, I think the offense Clawson was installing was far too cerebral and wholly different from the prior system so the players failed, because they couldn't adapt, not because they lack the skills or the heart.
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very good point...had we had better offensive line play last year, we may not have had a coaching staff change ...but I agree that we will see a vast improvement along the O line this year and this will affect our QB play in a positive way also
 
#70
#70
BigOrangeFanatic said:
Why would you ever wanna lose, regardless if its past present or future?

Makes absolutely no sense to play certain players just to try to gain a recruiting edge...winning will be the best recruiting edge...and plus, why would you want to play for a staff that's not going to go by the attitude of playing the best players period. This is what the last staff failed to do, and is part of the reason they are no longer with us...Kiffin has already made the promise of playing the best, and I think he is going to stand by it...
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Eric Berry and Bryce Brown had no problem signing with a team who had a losing record prior to their respective years.

While I do agree that winning is more attractive and a great recruiting tool, a lot of Kiffin's plan is geared towards the future as well. He has a free pass this year, in all reality. Do I think he's going to squander it? No. Just saying, he has some leeway, and I believe that was Coleman's fate.
 
#71
#71
JoseDaMofo said:
All these posts assume that one QB will stick out as better than the other. I'm not casting my judgment as to which is better. I'm just saying, I think Crompton will start -- especially if the two are "equal" after fall camp has been completed. If nothing else, than due to the fact that it has a possibility of being more favorable to recruiting. In this scenario, which is a real possibility in itself, has no/less of a downside than if Stephens were to start. And if you do see a downside, feel free to speak on it, for I'm not seeing one.

I know this comes off as the "quasi-conspiracy" theory, but the idea that Stephens and Crompton aren't going to separate from each other is what I'm basing this off of. I'm just not sold on their [mental] abilities to lead this team. JMO
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Crompton will start because he gives us the best chance to win. Not because he gives a recruiting edge with a QB that may not play til 2011 anyway. There is not a big difference between JC and NS right now, but he will not start either one of them because they give us an edge with a recruit.

If that is his intensions, he will not be here long.

I don't see LK doing this at all.
 
#72
#72
JoseDaMofo said:
Eric Berry and Bryce Brown had no problem signing with a team who had a losing record prior to their respective years.

While I do agree that winning is more attractive and a great recruiting tool, a lot of Kiffin's plan is geared towards the future as well. He has a free pass this year, in all reality. Do I think he's going to squander it? No. Just saying, he has some leeway, and I believe that was Coleman's fate.
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Before I get flamed, I dunno why I put Eric Berry. I meant to say Janzen Jackson. Forgive me for my poor proof-reading skills:ermm:
 
#74
#74
BeecherVol said:
Crompton will start because he gives us the best chance to win. Not because he gives a recruiting edge with a QB that may not play til 2011 anyway. There is not a big difference between JC and NS right now, but he will not start either one of them because they give us an edge with a recruit.

If that is his intensions, he will not be here long.

I don't see LK doing this at all.
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Nor do I foresee there being any kind of gap between the two somewhere down the road. Not a knock on the staff, I just have no confidence in either QBs.
 
#75
#75
JoseDaMofo said:
Eric Berry and Bryce Brown had no problem signing with a team who had a losing record prior to their respective years.

While I do agree that winning is more attractive and a great recruiting tool, a lot of Kiffin's plan is geared towards the future as well. He has a free pass this year, in all reality. Do I think he's going to squander it? No. Just saying, he has some leeway, and I believe that was Coleman's fate.
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Why did he not let Stephens go as well? He doesn't have to run a player off to prove to a recruit that he has a spot fo him. Take Scroggins for instance, the depth chart at USC didn't bother him. If LK does what Carroll says he does, the spot is there for the taking, no matter who is there before you.
 
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