Nick Saban's take on recruiting websites for all you Star Gazers.

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VolDC

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I'm not a Saban fan either and I would agree with what he's saying. One problem, he recruits and signs most of those kids he just said he "doesn't recruit". Don't let his perception fool you. He's a snake oil salesman with the best of them. I've talked to kids that have been recruited by him. This whole I'm the good guy, honest, daddy figure, image he displays is a front. He pays kids to play too. I feel he is more "down-playing" the whole recruiting site thing because he would rather have them all for himself. Just my opinion but I have some proof. Ask DeWayne Bowe and Glenn Dorsey among many others. This guy is a fraud why do you think he's Bama coach? They have no moral value when it comes to this stuff, history proves and repeats itself.
 
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Hasn't Saban had the #1 class for the last 2-3 years? You gotta be kidding me if you think stars don't matter to some degree.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
I'd kill to have Saban as UT's HC
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I think it is worth having the university research building a time machine to sabotage the 2006 season, fire Fulmer at the exact right time, and outbid Alabama for Saban's services. Everything should be done to ensure that Rich Rodriguez takes the Alabama job too.
 
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CardassianVol said:
I think it is worth having the university research building a time machine to sabotage the 2006 season, fire Fulmer at the exact right time, and outbid Alabama for Saban's services. Everything should be done to ensure that Rich Rodriguez takes the Alabama job too.
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I'm down to throw in $5 torwards building this thing
 
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VolDC said:
I'm not a Saban fan. However, I assume Dooley has the same take on the matter. That's why I posted this. His main comment is at the 5:40 mark. I will also link the article.

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Nick Saban Comments on the Accelerated Recruiting Time Table Oversigning.com

SIAP, this is from January 2011.

I can't wait to hear the star gazers reaction versus a two time national championship coach.
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There will still be some on here that think they know more than Saban, which adds to my amusement. What was his NC qb rated out of HS? You know, the captain/leader of the team? 3*, 11th best qb in TX and not nationally ranked.
 
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So Saban could do this well at UT? Like the success he's had a Bama? Doubtful, because although we just went through sticky times with Kiffin and Pearl our program is pretty clean. I said pretty clean! Bama is dedicated to doing whatever the hell it takes to stock pile the best talent and things money can buy. If you think this guy is clean you are dreaming. They will get theirs and he will move on. Just a matter of time. He would have elevated talent at UT no doubt. But not at the level he has at Bama we have too many people not "on board" here at UT to let that happen. Just plain true!
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm not a Saban fan either and I would agree with what he's saying. One problem, he recruits and signs most of those kids he just said he "doesn't recruit". Don't let his perception fool you. He's a snake oil salesman with the best of them. I've talked to kids that have been recruited by him. This whole I'm the good guy, honest, daddy figure, image he displays is a front. He pays kids to play too. I feel he is more "down-playing" the whole recruiting site thing because he would rather have them all for himself. Just my opinion but I have some proof. Ask DeWayne Bowe and Glenn Dorsey among many others. This guy is a fraud why do you think he's Bama coach? They have no moral value when it comes to this stuff, history proves and repeats itself.
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I don't disagree with your take on Saban's character issues. I don't even agree with his excuse as to why he is behind in recruiting. I do the he makes a legitimate point as to the problem recruiting websites create.

By most accounts Dooley has recruited talented players that fit his system, relying more on his talent evaluations that these websites. Saban stated he does the same thing. I don't like that so many people take some "talent evaluators" opinion from the websites as to the future direction of a program. If they were that good, why aren't they coaches?
 
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Saban has lost all credibility with me due to the fact that he obviously chases the dollar when making future employment decisions. The whole Miami fiasco was the nail in the coffin.
 
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pl3 said:
There will still be some on here that think they know more than Saban, which adds to my amusement. What was his NC qb rated out of HS? You know, the captain/leader of the team? 3*, 11th best qb in TX and not nationally ranked.
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Please, his classes have been near the top since he got to Bama. McElroy was simply there to not make mistakes. They won with a strong D and running game. It certainly helped that they had one of the best wideouts in the country to.
 
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madbamahater said:
So Saban could do this well at UT? Like the success he's had a Bama? Doubtful, because although we just went through sticky times with Kiffin and Pearl our program is pretty clean. I said pretty clean! Bama is dedicated to doing whatever the hell it takes to stock pile the best talent and things money can buy. If you think this guy is clean you are dreaming. They will get theirs and he will move on. Just a matter of time. He would have elevated talent at UT no doubt. But not at the level he has at Bama we have too many people not "on board" here at UT to let that happen. Just plain true!
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I might eat my words, but the snake oil salesman lost 3 games last year. Another year or 2 with that performance and his sorry a** is gone. I know he won an NC, but they finished middle of the pack in the west last year. Everybody perceives him as God, but I do believe he is fallible.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
I might eat my words, but the snake oil salesman lost 3 games last year. Another year or 2 with that performance and his sorry a** is gone. I know he won an NC, but they finished middle of the pack in the west last year. Everybody perceives him as God, but I do believe he is fallible.
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I would agree with this because Bama fans are scum of the Earth. I don't see it happening because the man recruits to the needs of his team and his system works.:crazy:
 
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Saban is a hell of a coach that recruits who he wants.

It just so happens the guys he wants are usually rated as the best at their respective positions.
 
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madbamahater said:
I'm not a Saban fan either and I would agree with what he's saying. One problem, he recruits and signs most of those kids he just said he "doesn't recruit". Don't let his perception fool you. He's a snake oil salesman with the best of them. I've talked to kids that have been recruited by him. This whole I'm the good guy, honest, daddy figure, image he displays is a front. He pays kids to play too. I feel he is more "down-playing" the whole recruiting site thing because he would rather have them all for himself. Just my opinion but I have some proof. Ask DeWayne Bowe and Glenn Dorsey among many others. This guy is a fraud why do you think he's Bama coach? They have no moral value when it comes to this stuff, history proves and repeats itself.
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Does Saban recruit those guys because they're highly rated or are they highly rated because Saban recruits them?.... I suggest it is more the latter than the former.
 
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just to play devil's advocate.....it's funny to me how people accuse a coach of "chasing the dollar" as if it's wrong to accept a job for more money.

but, i see no difference between petrino, saban and spurrier. people have just labeled them for various reasons.

i believe each of them left a college gig for an nfl gig and after a couple of years realized that they did not belong in the nfl and did not want to be nfl coaches.

spurrier is seen as the most honorable because he quit and left money on the table before being offered and accepting a job with south carolina.

petrino and saban both were offered jobs by college programs and bolted. and i really don't believe petrino's situation had anything to do with money.....he just wanted out of atlanta immediately.

people also need to realize there is no good time for a coach to leave a job.
 
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Bama didn't lose those games because of lack of talent. They should have sealed the deal against Auburn. That was just funny to watch. The other games I would say they just simply got out hustled and had costly turn overs. SCjr and LSU surely didn't have more "5" stars.
 
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The way Saban recruits I'd be surprised if he doesn't win another couple of Sec titles at least. I'd take Saban in a heartbeat.
 
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justingroves said:
Saban is a hell of a coach that recruits who he wants.

It just so happens the guys he wants are usually rated as the best at their respective positions.
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He takes his fair share of 3 stars too. I just think we have to win more games to be consistently mentioned in the 5 star world of recruiting, excluding Humphries.:hi:
 
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VolDC said:
I don't disagree with your take on Saban's character issues. I don't even agree with his excuse as to why he is behind in recruiting. I do the he makes a legitimate point as to the problem recruiting websites create.

By most accounts Dooley has recruited talented players that fit his system, relying more on his talent evaluations that these websites. Saban stated he does the same thing. I don't like that so many people take some "talent evaluators" opinion from the websites as to the future direction of a program. If they were that good, why aren't they coaches?
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Saban's a liar. I guess the last few classes of his happened to be the highest rated of any other team out of coincidence? You need talent to win and these 4 and 5 star kids have huge offer lists for a reason. I understand that every single recruit we sign will not be a 4 and 5 star guy, but we have to have top classes in order to get back to where we wanna be.
 
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and Petrino is the biggest idiot for leaving ATL immediately. You are actually proving our point. Thanks.
 
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Don't forget that Saban went 6-6 during his first regular season at Bama. He and Dooley seem to be cut from the same coaching cloth; why can't you have faith in him and give him some time to prove himself.

I truly think in the next 2-3 years you guys will be saying you wouldn't trade Dooley for Saban for anything in the world.

Imagine Dooley pimp-slapping the rest of the SEC like Spurrier did in the mid 90's except doing it with class and style... :cool2:
 
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