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TOP TALENT PRODUCERS: THE PAST 10 YEARS

Longevity is great, but who's the best recent coach at producing NFL talent?

Former Tennessee coach Phillip Fulmer has produced the most draft picks over the past 10 years. Larry Coker has produced the most first-round picks over the same time period. Out of the top 10 coaches in overall drafted players, seven have led their teams to national titles.

TOP 10 COACHES: RECENT TALENT
Players drafted in the past 10 years.

College Head Coach Total Picks 1st Round Picks Top Player
Phillip Fulmer.................59..............10...........Jason Witten
Bobby Bowden...............58..............13...........Anquan Boldin
Jim Tressel....................50..............11...........LeCharles Bentley
Lloyd Carr.....................48...............8............Tom Brady
Frank Beamer................48..............4.............Michael Vick
Larry Coker...................47..............20............Ed Reed
Pete Carroll...................42..............11............Troy Polamalu
Mark Richt.....................40...............6.............Ben Watson
Mack Brown...................38.............13.............Casey Hampton
Barry Alvarez.................38..............8.............Jim Sorgi
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...Phil didn't do everything wrong...
 
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Jason Witten > Peyton Manning? Really?

Edit: Nevermind, this is just over the past 10 years.
 
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And he won jack with that talent after the 99 draft class; so I'd say he did a lot wrong.
 
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ryancy said:
And he won jack with that talent after the 99 draft class; so I'd say he did a lot wrong.
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I think his point is trying to point out some positive for CPF.

Of course the NegaFulmer has to point out the negative.
 
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footballref said:
I think his point is trying to point out some positive for CPF.

Of course the NegaFulmer has to point out the negative.
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I'd say his point shows one of the most negative stats that could be posted, considering we haven't won an SEC title since 1998.
 
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And to think that Coker had all of those players in only six years. Pretty unbelievable. I think the 2001 and 2002 teams might have been the most loaded in terms of talent ever. Incredible that Coker was able to start with that level of talent and run the program into the ground by the time Shannon took over.
 
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Fulmer was not a bad coach in the 90's the game just passed him by. I agree with your point though Fulmer's greatest strength was recruiting and this is shown by the number of draft picks he had. On the other hand everything indicates that this new staff will be able to recruit just as well if not better than fulmer and i believe that they will be much better game day coaches than he was.
 
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This was my argument in the "CPF's Last Class" thread. Despite what many people think, Fulmer's weakness was not that he did not know how to develop talent... Maybe he didn't know how to utilize talent, maybe he wasn't as bright with the X's and O's as most coaches, but to say that the players that flopped were due to Fulmer's inability to develop players is ridiculous.....
 
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WPAINE said:
This was my argument in the "CPF's Last Class" thread. Despite what many people think, Fulmer's weakness was not that he did not know how to develop talent... Maybe he didn't know how to utilize talent, maybe he wasn't as bright with the X's and O's as most coaches, but to say that the players that flopped were due to Fulmer's inability to develop players is ridiculous.....
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Well.... I'm not sure how much player development (good or bad) can be attributed to Phil. I think his biggest shortcoming was hanging on to obviously terrible assistant coaches (who were more directly responsible for player development).
 
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ryancy said:
I'd say his point shows one of the most negative stats that could be posted, considering we haven't won an SEC title since 1998.
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At least we won one.. Was Peyton even on that team? I think it was T. Martin wasn't it.. I thought that is why Peyton got the rep that he couldn't win the big one.. At least he proved them wrong in the superbowl..
 
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kptvol said:
Well.... I'm not sure how much player development (good or bad) can be attributed to Phil. I think his biggest shortcoming was hanging on to obviously terrible assistant coaches (who were more directly responsible for player development).
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But you must admit that it is illogical to claim that Fulmer could not develop players by using examples of 5* busts, but then the 5* players (as well as 2, 3, and 4* players) that actually do well and get drafted were not influenced at all by Fulmer (or his assistants) ability to develop them.... In other words, the fact that Robert Ayers is going to be a 1st round draft pick has SOMETHING to do with his development at UT... What doesn't make since is why Fulmer never started a potential 1st round draft pick until his senior year...
 
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cutnitclose said:
At least we won one.. Was Peyton even on that team? I think it was T. Martin wasn't it.. I thought that is why Peyton got the rep that he couldn't win the big one.. At least he proved them wrong in the superbowl..
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Peyton never beat Florida, that is why he got the rep of losing the big one. We won the SEC with him though.
 
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WPAINE said:
But you must admit that it is illogical to claim that Fulmer could not develop players by using examples of 5* busts, but then the 5* players (as well as 2, 3, and 4* players) that actually do well and get drafted were not influenced at all by Fulmer (or his assistants) ability to develop them.... In other words, the fact that Robert Ayers is going to be a 1st round draft pick has SOMETHING to do with his development at UT... What doesn't make since is why Fulmer never started a potential 1st round draft pick until his senior year...
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I couldn't really say because I don't know if those guys improved or if Rivals/Scout just whiffed on their evaluation. I know guys like Ramone Foster improved 0% during their time on campus. That's probably largely his own fault, but if that's the case Fulmer/Adkins should have identified that he was a bum and punished him till he either improved or rode the pine. He certainly shouldn't have been playing significant minutes last year.
 
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Ed Reed was Butch Davis' not Larry Coker's as with most of the great U players of the early 2000s.
 
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Coaching NFL caliber talent on the college level and failing year in and year out is nothing to brag about. When you have Haynesworth and Henderson on the same D-line in college and give up more than 3 pts in any game is embarassing! Foolmer got the talent, he just couldn't coach full potential.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Coaching NFL caliber talent on the college level and failing year in and year out is nothing to brag about. When you have Haynesworth and Henderson on the same D-line in college and give up more than 3 pts in any game is embarassing! Foolmer got the talent, he just couldn't coach full potential.
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He's telling the truth.
 
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Having NFL talent at certain positions means nothing. You have to have NFL caliber or at least close to that talent at most every position to be successful. We had that for about 6 years with Fulmer, and that was it. Since 02 we have had more busts than booms.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Having NFL talent at certain positions means nothing. You have to have NFL caliber or at least close to that talent at most every position to be successful. We had that for about 6 years with Fulmer, and that was it. Since 02 we have had more busts than booms.
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Why don't you and five of your friends line up against Haynesworth and Henderson and get back with me after you all wake up (if you do) and tell me about "means nothing"...I'll be pulling for you! .:clapping:

If we had those two in front of EB...He would be the next President!
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Why don't you and five of your friends line up against Haynesworth and Henderson and get back with me after you all wake up (if you do) and tell me about "means nothing"...I'll be pulling for you! .:clapping:

If we had those two in front of EB...He would be the next President!
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I think I speak for most of us on here and when I say that you could line me up against the 4th string DL at UT and I would probably be convinced that he was a 1st round draft pick... So that is not saying a whole lot... and keep in mind that Henderson's junior year (the year he won the outland trophy) we were 1 game away from playing in the national championship, so Fulmer obviously did something right that year..
 
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WPAINE said:
I think I speak for most of us on here and when I say that you could line me up against the 4th string DL at UT and I would probably be convinced that he was a 1st round draft pick... So that is not saying a whole lot... and keep in mind that Henderson's junior year (the year he won the outland trophy) we were 1 game away from playing in the national championship, so Fulmer obviously did something right that year..
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up until losing. You think if Jim Kelly had won half the superbowls he played in, his name would be mentioned alot more with the greats? Not saying Fulmer was the worst coach ever or anything. Just saying its nice to get there but it really only matters in the end if you WIN.
 
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PrattvilleVol said:
Why don't you and five of your friends line up against Haynesworth and Henderson and get back with me after you all wake up (if you do) and tell me about "means nothing"...I'll be pulling for you! .:clapping:

If we had those two in front of EB...He would be the next President!
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PrattvilleVol , what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
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