NFL owner condescending toward Peyton

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#151
Jerry Richardson is an old jock himself, who got lucky with Hardee's franchise. Maybe he shouldn't judge today's stars by the kind of players he was with in the old days.
 
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nbakerld said:
Actually the NFLPA and the UAW have completely opposite tactics. The UAW tries to set wages. The NFLPA tries negotiate the environment in which wages are set. While the UAW colludes to defeat free market mechanisms the NFLPA tries to protect free market mechanisms. The owners are the ones trying to collude to set wages (salary caps, rookie contract caps, etc.) which means they actually have a lot in common with the UAW.
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Psst.

If you aren't careful you will let these guys know that you are capable of rational thought.



Actually IMHO one of the most lucid posts in the thread. :good!:
 
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Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson has become a bit of a target during recent days, but the NFL and some of his fellow owners want to make it clear - he's still very much the man they trust to run the negotiations for a new collective-bargaining agreement.

"There is no more respected owner in the league than Jerry Richardson," New York Giants co-owner John Mara said Tuesday. "In his role as the co-chair of the owners' negotiating committee, he brings integrity, the desire to always do the right thing and he has the full respect of all the owners."
"Jerry's greatest strength is communication," Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said. "The more that is at stake, the more direct and clear he is with his words. When he speaks with people he cares about deeply - players, business partners, his fellow owners - he is always particularly straightforward and to the point. That is how he shows his respect for the situation and the individuals involved.

"He is one of the most effective leaders I have ever known because he is one of the best communicators I have ever been associated with."

Read more: York County, SC | Owners come to defense of Panthers' Richardson | The Herald - Rock Hill, SC
 
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#155
hey its like this in all sports in mid to late 70,s the owners started trying to out pay others to get the best players to try and buy titals thats why some players are going to make 15to25 million a year and its rediculas ,and players hold out wanting more money ,a couple of million a year is enough money for the best of players.if there is no lock out between peyton manning and mike vick combined will make 40 plus million a year and that is pathetic manning has played 13 years plus probally 4or5 more and he has and will make more than he could possibly spend
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NEOCON said:
Who steps in then?

WWE?

Canadian league comes to America.

No one is going to form a new league.
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Can you say SEC Sunday Football? If a lockout happens and networks put on good college matchups on Sundays to fill the void I will sit there and watch.
 
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#157
So Peyton Manning making $17 Million (before taxes) is too much? You guys do realize that he donates $1 Million to UT every year.

What about a punter or an OLineman making $300K for 4 years, then then being spit out of the league and needs a new hip or knee at the age of 45? Are those guys overpaid as well?

IMO the only guys who are overpaid are the rookies
 
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bosgap said:
hey its like this in all sports in mid to late 70,s the owners started trying to out pay others to get the best players to try and buy titals thats why some players are going to make 15to25 million a year and its rediculas ,and players hold out wanting more money ,a couple of million a year is enough money for the best of players.if there is no lock out between peyton manning and mike vick combined will make 40 plus million a year and that is pathetic manning has played 13 years plus probally 4or5 more and he has and will make more than he could possibly spend
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Another spectacular train..wreck..of thought from bosgap. So, you think it's "pathetic" that the best players make that kind of money. I guess that means you think it's allright for a few billionaire owners to keep it and just get richer? It's the fans that make it possible anyway. If people were to quit watching on TV, and going to games. I promise you salarys would fall. So, in the end I think you could say fans are the pathetic ones.
 
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I just love that people think enough of themselves to pass judgment on the wages others make (too much, not enough, etc.).
 
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I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion about Peyton. Why does it not bother anyone when someone says something about The most recent NC winning QB from UT? Peyton couldnt even beat UF.
 
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nbakerld said:
I just love that people think enough of themselves to pass judgment on the wages others make (too much, not enough, etc.).
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I just wanna clarify that I could care less what a player makes. My concern is paying unproven rookies more than veterans and the spiral the NFL is getting itself into with this stance. My initial laugh was that Peyton was even looking at a revenue sheet of an owner. I find that absurd. I honestly find the whole union situation, in any terms, laughable.
 
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NEOCON said:
Which is why I stated earlier there will not be a full season lock out. The owners are actually in a position to break the players union, in my opinion. The fact that the courts just awarded the 4 billion to the owners in court was a huge blow to the unions. This would allow the onwers to ride the storm for atleast one season. It would only take one season, again my opinion, to break 75% of the players who are leveraged way beyond their current annual salaries. Peyton could ride out anything but there are not a ton of Peyton paid players. If the owners do not put a stop to the over spending on rookie contracts the league is going to have serious problems on all fronts. It is insane that 1st round rookies are making more than 5 year pro bowlers. How many business does the new guy who has proved nothing makes more than the top guy who has a proven track record year after year?
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I agree about rookies but imo there are actually 4-5 sides to this issue. There are large and small dollar players too. As well as early injured or retired and all jacked up players some with disabling situations. Small part players get the short end. Because they have the smallest leverage but the largest population. Like someone said not many owners and not many Peytons. A lot of 1-2 maybe 3 year journeymen. Either way it's class warfare on steroids. Both sides should lay down guns and let everyone get an honest days pay especially for what we fans are paying- we are the 6th side of this stop sign since we make or break them all.
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GAVol said:
Tough for me to get worked up about signing bonuses when the contracts aren't guaranteed and the players have the smallest window for earning potential of any sport.
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But in that small window, they can make more than most of us do in a lifetime. And why can't they work when they retire from the NFL? Heck most of them are just in there late 20's when this happens. Why should they be granted a lifetime of security for being in the NFL for 3-4 years? Allot of people work far more dangerous jobs for 20-30 years just to make ends meet, and if they lose their job, they lose their medical insurance.
 
#167
#167
If there is a 2011 season, the pitiful Panthers go to Indy for a game.

The Colts might hang 50 on them with Peyton still throwing deep late in the fourth as a nice FU to Richardson.
 
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#168
You guys are still on this?
Richardson apologized to Manning as soon as the meeting ended, and people aren't even understanding that the point of his comment wasn't to be a prick to Peyton. It was to showcase that the players aren't understanding where he's coming from, so they need to keep their opinions to themselves until they know what they're talking about.
I'm on the players' side here, but I can understand how it would be frustrating have an argument with someone who only understands one side of the issue. Richardson is the only owner who ever played in the NFL. That doesn't make him right here, but you'd have to understand how he'd prefer to not "negotiate" with someone with only one view-point.
 
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Panthro said:
You guys are still on this?
Richardson apologized to Manning as soon as the meeting ended, and people aren't even understanding that the point of his comment wasn't to be a prick to Peyton. It was to showcase that the players aren't understanding where he's coming from, so they need to keep their opinions to themselves until they know what they're talking about.
I'm on the players' side here, but I can understand how it would be frustrating have an argument with someone who only understands one side of the issue. Richardson is the only owner who ever played in the NFL. That doesn't make him right here, but you'd have to understand how he'd prefer to not "negotiate" with someone with only one view-point.
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:good!:
 
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NEOCON said:
I just wanna clarify that I could care less what a player makes. My concern is paying unproven rookies more than veterans and the spiral the NFL is getting itself into with this stance. My initial laugh was that Peyton was even looking at a revenue sheet of an owner. I find that absurd. I honestly find the whole union situation, in any terms, laughable.
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Looking at the revenue sheet seems like a good idea.

Think about it.

You are negotiating. You aren't sure what the other guy is asking for or can afford. If you ask for X, when he can only afford half that, then it is hard to compromise. If you know that the other guy can't meet your demands instead of just thinking he is being stubborn, then maybe you are more likely to compromise.
 
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#171
I'm sorry. I just have a hard time understanding how a player (an employee) ever EVER has the right to sit down and ask "so show me what you make boss." It just rubs me the wrong way. Peyton is an employee. I could understand the head of the Players union having acces to the reports and going over them with the owners as a middle man but for the actual employee to be looking at cashflow reports just isn't right.
 
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#172
Really? As a stockholder in the company I work for, I get to see the compensation packages for the senior executives like other stockholders who have that right under my company's bylaws.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Really? As a stockholder in the company I work for, I get to see the compensation packages for the senior executives like other stockholders who have that right under my company's bylaws.
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Stockholder different than employee. When you sell stock to someone and they are financially investing in your company they have a right to know to a certain degree what is going on. They even have a right to make majority rules situations sometimes. This isn't the same thing. Peyton has no skin financially in the game with his team. His contract is locked in stone and he has financially invested nothing to get his money. That's a huge difference.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Really? As a stockholder in the company I work for, I get to see the compensation packages for the senior executives like other stockholders who have that right under my company's bylaws.
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Sounds like you work for a publicly traded company. Peyton doesn't.
 
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