NFL owner condescending toward Peyton

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NEOCON said:
It shouldn't have though. I agree that it would be stupid not to think so but how many normal meetings between Owners and employees go public? You can be the biggest fan of Manning in the world, not saying you are personally, just to the general posters, but at the end of the day he's just another employee.
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...Union, man, not employee, union member, there's a difference. Employees can quit, not a lot they can do, a union, however, can go on strike if there is something they don't like, and who would watch the NFL without all the stars? It'd be like the arena league. And tons of UNION meetings are publicized all the time, steelworker union meetings are publicized in papers, newsletters, etc. Have they been given too much power? No, the owners can find other players if they want, but they want the best, so they negotiate.
 
#102
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GAVol said:
If I remember correctly, his degree was in communications.
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This is all I could find: "At the University of Tennessee Manning was a communications and business major, and he completed his bachelor's degree requirements in just three years, ending up with a 3.6 grade point average. As a result, he was eligible to graduate at the end of his junior year."

Nevertheless, Peyton might be a lot of things, but "dumb jock" isn't one of them. This is especially funny from Richardson given (1) he played in the NFL himself and (2) he made his money selling hamburgers (Hardee's). I would say that Peyton is at least on par with, and probably ahead of, Richardson on an intellectual level.
 
#103
#103
I'm not sure how he thought that would help the owners' position. Sure, let's piss off two of the most respected players in the league. That will help - duh.:loco:
 
#104
#104
Just a comment on the tactics Richardson is using. I am going to assume he knows what he is doing. Having done that then this becomes a calculated move.

Union negotiations are a special subset. They are typically waged in public rather than face to face. Thus it is focused a lot more on how to divide the pie rather than the more productive activity of defining how big the pie really is.

This guy could have been designated as the one to tick everyone off for a period of time, to be replaced by the "good cop" to come in and smooth everything over.

While I agree that it was a stupid statement, I would have to say that IMHO the owners are better negotiators than the players. If they weren't they wouldn't be owners.
 
#105
#105
Sometimes smart people read a chart wrong. No reason to be a jerk about it though... especially because there is always a chance that you could be the one making the silly mistake. Jerks make life harder than it needs to be.
 
#106
#106
Could it be that Peyton is playing the "I'm just a dumb old country boy football player, could you 'splain this to me, Mr. Owner Sir?" role? I've seen more than one person win a negotiation using this ploy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Not to be harsh, but you are woefully uninformed about the economic realities of professional sports. Without TV and sponsorship revenues, there aren't enough hours in the day to book the number of concerts it would take to keep that place from being anything but a money pit without football.
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Manny Pacquiao better get in shape. He will need to fight every other week.
 
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The Panthers owner has taken a hard line in negotiations, and is known within the league as one of ownerships' hawks. During a rambling January news conference, he drew pictures to illustrate what he believed to be the bad deal owners agreed to in 2006, and opted out of two years later.

"It's said to me when I meet with the union lawyers, they say 'Mr. Richardson we want more money, more benefits and we want to work less,'" Richardson said in January. "Then they say 'let's begin the negotiations.' I'm not optimistic we're making a lot of progress."



Read more: Richardson tagged as bully in negotiations - CharlotteObserver.com
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LOL........that is all he is used to there in Carolina....a lazy football team....he has Peyton envy....endless work ethic.....and a winner. When it comes to football....Richardson is simply a loser.
 
#109
#109
JR is like that to everyone it seems. His last news conf. was the same. He is old and set in his ways, but passionate about what he believes in. As a Panthers fan, this last year has been hard and he doesn't offer the truth when he explains things... keeps his thoughts private. He wasn't knocking PM, he just figures no one understands "his side" of it all.
 
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NEOCON said:
JJ can use his stadium in the meantime for concerts etc. It will pay the overhead. There won't be profit but it will keep the lights on. Snyder on the other doesn't care. I don't think Snyder views Washington as a business and more a toy. On that, I would agree.
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This tells me that you dont know what you are talking about
 
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VOLfrombama said:
Right? Maybe if the Panthers didnt suck out loud, they could pack a stadium and sell some merch and increase that revunue! Gotta spend money to make money.
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They may have had a bad season with a terrible rookie QB, but the Panthers are in the top ten of top earning NFL franchises. As bad as they were last year, they had zero black-out games. I think that's pretty impressive considering teams like San Diego and Jacksonville were contending for playoff spots, but still couldn't pay people to come watch them at home.

Just to be clear, I was just defending the franchise there. Richardson has been an embarrassment lately, and no Panthers fans are proud. His worst comment was when he said, "I got the short end of the stick when I was a player in the NFL, and I'll be damned if I'm going to still get the short end now that I'm an owner." That is the most backwards logic I've ever heard.
He's the only NFL owner to have played in the league. I'd have thought he'd go about his duties in another way.
 
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#113
"It's said to me when I meet with the union lawyers, they say 'Mr. Richardson we want more money, more benefits and we want to work less,'" Richardson said in January. "Then they say 'let's begin the negotiations.' I'm not optimistic we're making a lot of progress."
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I am not taking sides on the labor issue, because both sides are talking out their arses at the moment. However, this is just asinine. I haven't seen anything where the players are asking to shorten the season.
 
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EZE said:
I am not taking sides on the labor issue, because both sides are talking out their arses at the moment. However, this is just asinine. I haven't seen anything where the players are asking to shorten the season.
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Owners want to increase it to 18 games. Players want to keep it at 16.


So, in a typical slant, they want to work less.
 
#115
#115
You guys are still missing the point and the picture. You guys are all bent out of shape because an owner blasted Saint Peyton. Manning's ability has nothing to do with what was said.

The owners and players are playing for keeps. They are not negotiating anything. This is about who wins for good. PR images don't matter in this. The players want a bigger piece of the pie and the owners are still pissed at Tagliabue for putting the current agreement out as he walked off into retirement. The players looked at that agreement as a starting point to grow from. The owners aren't going to let the players have anymore. The owners hold the better hand cards guys.
 
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YorkVol said:
Could it be that Peyton is playing the "I'm just a dumb old country boy football player, could you 'splain this to me, Mr. Owner Sir?" role? I've seen more than one person win a negotiation using this ploy.
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:rock::rock:

We have a winner. Richardson is playing the game as well. Having been involved in organized labor/management negotiations this is simply called "posturing" for your side and the press. It really doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Both sides know they have to get a compromise done before the season starts. One side or the other may drag it out if they think they have the upper hand to gain more traction for their side. However, they know what they stand to lose.

Personally I could care less if they sit out a year. It only helps high school and college ball get more of the attention. The NFL needs to be humbled to see that they have priced themselves out of the reach of their fanbase IMO.
 
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VolFaninCharlotte said:
"When Jerry Richardson, the owner of the Carolina Panthers, is their lead negotiator for the owners, and he's going to criticize Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and their intelligence in our meeting on Saturday. And sit there and say dismissively of Peyton Manning, 'Do I need to help you read a revenue chart son, do I need to help break that down for you, because I don't know if you understand how to read that.''

That was followed by a report on Yahoo.com that cited anonymous sources who described Richardson as "extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton."


Read more: Richardson tagged as bully in negotiations - CharlotteObserver.com
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I am fairly certain the Colts play the NFC South this coming season. I am sure when the Colts play the terrible Panthers, Peyton may remember this incident.
 
#121
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DC Vol said:
Owners want to increase it to 18 games. Players want to keep it at 16.


So, in a typical slant, they want to work less.
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Really, looks to me like they want to work the same but the owners want them to work more. Sort of like hiring someone to work for you and offering two weeks vacation as part of the package only to take it away later on.

As it stands right now, the average player lasts somewhere between 3-4 years. Just looking at the number of injuries during the play offs, it is clear the players bodies have taken a lot of abuse during the 16 game regular season. Adding 2 more games will only shorten many careers so I have no issue with the players getting a bigger slice of the pie while they can.
 
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NEOCON said:
It shouldn't be a PR move one way or the other. It should be behind closed doors. The fact that the employees are even sitting down to review what the owners are making is pathetic. The players (employees in Pro Sports) have been given way too much power and way too much money.
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pathetic assessment...
 
#123
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VolFaninCharlotte said:
"When Jerry Richardson, the owner of the Carolina Panthers, is their lead negotiator for the owners, and he's going to criticize Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and their intelligence in our meeting on Saturday. And sit there and say dismissively of Peyton Manning, 'Do I need to help you read a revenue chart son, do I need to help break that down for you, because I don't know if you understand how to read that.''

That was followed by a report on Yahoo.com that cited anonymous sources who described Richardson as "extremely condescending to them, especially toward Peyton."


Read more: Richardson tagged as bully in negotiations - CharlotteObserver.com
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Peyton Manning is far more intelligent than you know, Jerry Richardson. I'm sure he can read it and understand what you're talking about. "Tennessee" doesn't equal "stupid."
 
#124
#124
NEOCON said:
It shouldn't have though. I agree that it would be stupid not to think so but how many normal meetings between Owners and employees go public? You can be the biggest fan of Manning in the world, not saying you are personally, just to the general posters, but at the end of the day he's just another employee.
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Ah yes, labor is just labor and they should follow the dictates of management because they know best.
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