NFL coach is what we need

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tbones0711 said:
Anthony Lynn ex-chargers HC just hired by the Lions. Knows offense and well liked. Replaced Tyrod Taylor at QB this year with Hebert 3 games into season. Also think he was RB coach at Denver while Peyton was there for a few years. Isn't Peyton in on this search? There's a lot of good coaches out there than folks realize and many are in the NFL but started as grad assts. in college. Biggest complaint from them is by far, they simply don't care for recruiting.
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Exactl, they don’t like recruiting. And in CFB, that is one of your major responsibilities.
 
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I'm actually pleasantly happy with the names being associated with UT this go around. I feel there are many more options than 2018 when everyone was turning us down.
 
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Nasavol said:
Smh...there were at least 3 threads on Fisher. The guy has NEVER coached in college. Running a college program v coaching a NFL team is vastly different. Career NFL guys typically do not have a high level of success in CFB. Pete Carroll is an exception.
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You don't know this! Frank Reich would disagree with you! You are the epitome of negativism. Listen to Danny White and quit being so negative daily! It must suck to be around you every day!!!
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
Not sure why you think an NFL coach transitions well to college. Lots of factors in college that don't exist in pro and vice versa.

Recruiting and babysitting are two major issues not present in the pro side of the game.

I do agree that we need an established coach but an established college coach.
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Teaching is also a bigger part of the college job and NFL coaches are often deficient in that area when they come to college because they are used to dealing with more developed athletes and they try to run schemes that are too complicated.
 
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Freiwillige said:
Herm Edwards to Arizona State has turned out okay so far. Not great.

Lovie Smith to Illinois failed.
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Bill Callahan wasn't great for Nebraska either. Bill Walsh's second stint at Stanford. I think there is a bias that we have in which we believe that NFL coaches are smarter and know more about football than college coaches. I'm not sure that's necessarily correct.
 
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Nasavol said:
Smh...there were at least 3 threads on Fisher. The guy has NEVER coached in college. Running a college program v coaching a NFL team is vastly different. Career NFL guys typically do not have a high level of success in CFB. Pete Carroll is an exception.
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In fairness, Pete Carroll's payroll at USC might have qualified USC as an NFL team;)
 
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Freiwillige said:
Herm Edwards to Arizona State has turned out okay so far. Not great.

Lovie Smith to Illinois failed.
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Illinois is a very hard place to win. Has always been that way. Still wondering why Lovie took that job. He took over a mess. He did have them in a bowl game last season.
 
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JohnnyJava said:
Bill Callahan wasn't great for Nebraska either. Bill Walsh's second stint at Stanford. I think there is a bias that we have in which we believe that NFL coaches are smarter and know more about football than college coaches. I'm not sure that's necessarily correct.
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There was also John Robinson who had a second stint at USC. It wasn't as bad as Walsh's second stint at Stanford. Then Robinson went to UNLV after that. He didn't have much luck there. But who does at UNLV.

Wannstedt did a pretty good job at Pitt but was apparently not good enough for the administration. I still remember when his team beat West Virginia which kept the Mountaineers from playing for a national championship.
 
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tabrams said:
After looking at this pitiful list of vetted coaches, I really think we need to get a coach from the NFL. I think Jeff Fisher or someone of that caliber with a top staff and strong recruiters could be a great coach at TN.

I just don’t see a coordinator or mid major or lower successful coach doing really well in the SEC. I think the UTAD and our dummie boosters will screw this up, just like usual, and hire a guy nobody is excited about.

Many fans will be unhappy about it, like me, and then take a wait and see approach. Because we’ve been down this road 4x before in the past 12 years, each “brick” in the wall gets progressively worse. As it gets worse, our fan-hood wanes. Soon, we won’t want to watch this sorry product anymore.

If we bring in NFL level coaches then it’s clear that the coaching is top notch. We would just need to recruit well and start winning games to keep things rolling upward.

If we go the college route, it could work but only if we find that special diamond 💎 coach out there.
Without a college coach like a Freeze or Kiffin on board, then we should be looking for the next Urban type of coach that shot up quickly with incredible records, but the school wasn’t too small. I’m not sure it’s out there, or that they would come to our forest fire 🔥.

We cannot get Gruden, but why wouldn’t we take another NFL coach like Jeff Fisher? Probably just makes too much sense lol... I think the NFL route is the best way to upgrade our dismal perception and get in a higher grade of coaches that will guide us back out of the wilderness.
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where is this list of vetted coaches?
 
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89 VOLS grad said:
You don't know this! Frank Reich would disagree with you! You are the epitome of negativism. Listen to Danny White and quit being so negative daily! It must suck to be around you every day!!!
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Why would Frank Reich disagree with me? Is he a college AD? Yes, I do know this, because outside of Carroll, you can’t name ant NFL guys that have had a high level of success in CFB. And I’m not negative, just a realist. One thing I’m not is star struck of a jock sniffer.
 
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tabrams said:
After looking at this pitiful list of vetted coaches, I really think we need to get a coach from the NFL. I think Jeff Fisher or someone of that caliber with a top staff and strong recruiters could be a great coach at TN.

I just don’t see a coordinator or mid major or lower successful coach doing really well in the SEC. I think the UTAD and our dummie boosters will screw this up, just like usual, and hire a guy nobody is excited about.

Many fans will be unhappy about it, like me, and then take a wait and see approach. Because we’ve been down this road 4x before in the past 12 years, each “brick” in the wall gets progressively worse. As it gets worse, our fan-hood wanes. Soon, we won’t want to watch this sorry product anymore.

If we bring in NFL level coaches then it’s clear that the coaching is top notch. We would just need to recruit well and start winning games to keep things rolling upward.

If we go the college route, it could work but only if we find that special diamond 💎 coach out there.
Without a college coach like a Freeze or Kiffin on board, then we should be looking for the next Urban type of coach that shot up quickly with incredible records, but the school wasn’t too small. I’m not sure it’s out there, or that they would come to our forest fire 🔥.

We cannot get Gruden, but why wouldn’t we take another NFL coach like Jeff Fisher? Probably just makes too much sense lol... I think the NFL route is the best way to upgrade our dismal perception and get in a higher grade of coaches that will guide us back out of the wilderness.
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NFL coaches dont know what they are doing in college.

Lovie Smith at Illinios failed (went to a super bowl in the NFL)
Jim Harbaugh at Michigan failed (went to a superbowl in the NFL)

NFL coaches tend to suck because they dont know how to deal with kids. Just because you're a good football coach doesnt mean you'd be a good college football coach.
 
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VFFL@THE BEACH said:
Not sure why you think an NFL coach transitions well to college. Lots of factors in college that don't exist in pro and vice versa.

Recruiting and babysitting are two major issues not present in the pro side of the game.

I do agree that we need an established coach but an established college coach.
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Yes. Thank you for the level headed and common sense post. I keep waiting for some goober to say we need to make a run at bill belichick next. Gawd, I hate coaching searches. Seems like that's all we ever do around this place.
 
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tabrams said:
I would rather have Jerod Mayo then some of these clown coaches from bozo schools. The college recruiting game is largely about booster cheating. But we need top coaches that care about TN and know how to win ball Games.

At this point bring back the Cooter!!
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Screw that. I'm damned tired of experiments in this job. We need a college head coach. This is not a job to cut your teeth on. I want it to be a destination job for the next guy. No more gambles. Go get a guy we KNOW can get it done. If I were in charge, I'd not entertain the thought of or interview anyone not a sitting head coach. I don't give a damn what someone "might" do. I want a guy who I can look at and SEE what he's done. Don't care if I have to go up to 8-9 million for him. I'm getting a proven guy this time around.
 
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People make this crazy assumption that if a guy is a good NFL coach then he'll be an excellent college coach. The examples of this being true just arent there or are super ultra rare. This goes for successful NFL coaches being college coaches and successful college coaches becoming NFL coaches.

It's two entirely different skill sets. NFL coaches are much more used to being CEOs dealing with players that are at the very top of their profession. They aren't used to dealing with kids and recruiting and developing players into NFL players.
 
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