Neyland Stadium now cashless venue?

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm just unsure what significant info the govt gets from knowing my grocery purchases or Arby's order? Sure, they can pinpoint where I am, but I carry a cellphone so they won't really have a problem there.

How are they going to leverage my preference for double stuf Oreos or chicken thighs or half pound roast beef sandwiches against me?
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Honestly, I love being tracked and served ads for stuff I like. eBay and Amazon totally have my number.

I think it’s a fear of the unknown really, which isn’t my traditional brand.

Although, by tracking my purchases, they also get my progressive location, my travel habits, my income, class, and race demographics, my reading habits, my political tendencies, my religion, and all sorts of information we used to respect as “nobody’s business.”

Certainly all of this stuff is presently used to predict my behavior for profit, catering to what I tend to want - which often isn’t what I need, or what’s best for me. In this way, I (and most other folks) are being manipulated by my own greed. Hey, I just admitted I’m letting it happen.

But if I can be manipulated for profit by my own greed, how might entities motivated by other goals manipulate me with other sinful tendencies - wrath, lust, vanity, pride, gluttony, etc.?

You could make the argument the political parties are feasting on pride and wrath with regularity.

Did I mention I deleted Facebook and Instagram recently?

…aaaand cue the tinfoil hat memes!
 
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Voltopia said:
First, seperate people from wealth. Create a chain of possession between people and their money, and insure that the exchange of money cannot be done by two people alone.

Then take control of a few links in the chain. In so doing, you now control the people.

Maybe you use it for good. Maybe you use it for evil. Maybe you don't use it at all.

But you will always have control of the chain, and control over the flow of money, and in so doing? Control over the people bound to it.

(I'm not even a conspiracy nut, but the idea of "cashless" societies frightens the living crap out of me.)
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Isn’t the govt. adding some type of Bitcoin into the system? ( a pyramid scheme). Rather use credit cards & pay off at end of month.
 
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Voltopia said:
First, seperate people from wealth. Create a chain of possession between people and their money, and insure that the exchange of money cannot be done by two people alone.

Then take control of a few links in the chain. In so doing, you now control the people.

Maybe you use it for good. Maybe you use it for evil. Maybe you don't use it at all.

But you will always have control of the chain, and control over the flow of money, and in so doing? Control over the people bound to it.

(I'm not even a conspiracy nut, but the idea of "cashless" societies frightens the living crap out of me.)
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This is the post I was looking for. Control is control.
 
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adam.vol said:


Like many people my age, I primarily use credit cards for everything, but I also carry cash in case of emergency. Despite what I typically use for purchases, there is something truly disturbing about this decision. I don’t like it one bit.
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I guess I could decide not to like it, but since I don’t think I’ve used cash in Neyland Stadium (or anywhere else on campus) in well over a decade, I’ll pass on this manufactured angst.
 
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wboro33 said:
carrying legal tender. cash. is not difficult either. the only problem i see is today’s society has no idea how to properly give out change!!! they absolutely have no idea how to write a check. sad world we are living in
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This - my wife (2nd grade teacher) and I were discussing this topic a few hrs ago. Folks can’t do simple math in their head.
 
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ivorydr said:
So how do you get your soft drink from the highschooler when you are 25 seats away from the aisle? Are you going to pass your card? I do t think so.
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You would pay online using the app, giving your section and seat location. The vendor would pass it down like the old days in the 90’s - good times. I’d never leave my seat yet buy a coke and dog every game.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Is a government a better master than a big business?

I’m not sure it is. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Is the only viable third alternative economic chaos?

Oh the musings of the two weeks between start of school and football…

I should play golf tomorrow.
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I'm not saying one way or the other. It's just the idea that paper money is somehow a pillar of "freedom" rings hollow for me and most of the arguments for cash boil down to that. At the end of the day I think people just don't like change.

But yeah, football needs to start already
 
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kcvols1 said:
Honestly, I love being tracked and served ads for stuff I like. eBay and Amazon totally have my number.

I think it’s a fear of the unknown really, which isn’t my traditional brand.

Although, by tracking my purchases, they also get my progressive location, my travel habits, my income, class, and race demographics, my reading habits, my political tendencies, my religion, and all sorts of information we used to respect as “nobody’s business.”

Certainly all of this stuff is presently used to predict my behavior for profit, catering to what I tend to want - which often isn’t what I need, or what’s best for me. In this way, I (and most other folks) are being manipulated by my own greed. Hey, I just admitted I’m letting it happen.

But if I can be manipulated for profit by my own greed, how might entities motivated by other goals manipulate me with other sinful tendencies - wrath, lust, vanity, pride, gluttony, etc.?

You could make the argument the political parties are feasting on pride and wrath with regularity.

Did I mention I deleted Facebook and Instagram recently?

…aaaand cue the tinfoil hat memes!
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Certainly, they all play to our tribal nature and exploit us vs them, but one could argue religion, merchants, etc do also.

You don't associate with THEM, do you? For shame..... good people associate with us. You still shop THERE? My, my, my, I thought you'd become successful enough to shop with us now, but I suppose you're not really one of us.

If something is being offered for free, very often you are the product that is being sold. Lots of us trade "loyalty discounts" for info and we trade tap convenience for info.

I try to avoid tinfoil but I'm not naive. I'm sold daily as much as any streetwalker.

My Internet provider knows what websites I visit, my TV provider knows what I watch, my phone carrier knows where I go, my cards tell where I shop.

So, no internet, no TV, no phone, and no cards? C'mon. We're discussing this on the web. We're all past the point of seriously worrying about our privacy by miles and miles.
 
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volfan102455 said:
But for most of the gift card and pre-paid cards, you pay to put money on them.
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Not only do you pay to put money on them but the people who you’re paying to hold your money will draw interest on it. That’s how Starbucks became its own multi billion dollar bank. All those rewards points with credit cards work the same way.

From the video below: “Once they have your money, they don’t have to give it back. You can only spend it at Starbucks”.

The University of Tennessee forced all freshmen to buy All Star Points or Vols Bucks to eat in the cafeterias way back in the early 2000’s. I doubt they ever stopped because it should have been generating a significant amount of money for them.



Very entertaining YouTube personality. Be warned that retired military veteran uses colorful language, probably without realizing it.

Brave Volunteer said:
Not saying I don't belive you volfan, but I cannot recall a single instant where I found that to be the case. Can you give an example?
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Gas stations will do this. Not all of them, but sometimes you’ll notice there is a changing price on the sign or even a “cash” under the advertised price. The difference is usually around $.10 per gallon.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
All of the venues here in Atlanta are cashless and I hate it.

There was a bill before Congress a couple of years ago that would have required places to accept cash, which is technically what federal law says now. But it went nowhere, unfortunately. Both sides of the aisle are owned by credit card companies.
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Except it's not what federal law says. Some states/cities have made it law, but it's not at the federal level.

www.federalreserve.gov

Is it legal for a business in the United States to refuse cash as a form of payment?

The Federal Reserve Board of Governors in Washington DC.
www.federalreserve.gov
 
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wboro33 said:
carrying legal tender. cash. is not difficult either. the only problem i see is today’s society has no idea how to properly give out change!!! they absolutely have no idea how to write a check. sad world we are living in
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Society also doesn't know how to hook up a horse to carriage, or drive a carriage. Things change.
 
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Although I unusually never use cash, I still dont like not having that option. I went to Nashville a few years ago to take my son to his first concert. I remember that the tickets were free but it was 2 days before pay day. It was during a time where I didn't have a lot of money because I had some unexpected bills. I borrowed $100 from a relative. I didn't have my debt card because I was broke, all that I had was cash. Part of that $100 went for gas and food before we got to the concert. We went into the venue. This was in late July and it was outdoors. He was thirsty and I went to get both of us a water. I couldn't because they didn't take cash. Some people really just don't have the option and are trying to just make memories on the cheap.
 
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Voltopia said:
First, seperate people from wealth. Create a chain of possession between people and their money, and insure that the exchange of money cannot be done by two people alone.

Then take control of a few links in the chain. In so doing, you now control the people.

Maybe you use it for good. Maybe you use it for evil. Maybe you don't use it at all.

But you will always have control of the chain, and control over the flow of money, and in so doing? Control over the people bound to it.

(I'm not even a conspiracy nut, but the idea of "cashless" societies frightens the living crap out of me.)
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The idea that there are many, many people in this country that don't understand this and have no problem with a "cashless society" frightens me even more. Will the price of "convenience" ever be too high to wake people up? (That's rhetorical, of course).
 
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K87vol said:
What to Do if a Business Refuses Cash:
  • A business refusing to accept cash payment is violating Tennessee Senate Bill 1858.

  • Violations are treated as prohibited practices under the Tennessee Consumer Protection Act. You can report the violation to state consumer protection agencies.

I guess this doesn't apply in the stadium?? But as far as it making the lines faster .... that's not my experience with it. The hand held card readers don't connect
well in stadium and are very slow in the lines I have used.
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That bill passed the Senate, but not the House.

TN - SB1858

AN ACT to amend Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 47, Chapter 18, relative to payments by consumers.
www.billtrack50.com www.billtrack50.com

That bill is dead because it did not pass the House.
 
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wboro33 said:
carrying legal tender. cash. is not difficult either. the only problem i see is today’s society has no idea how to properly give out change!!! they absolutely have no idea how to write a check. sad world we are living in
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I was at Waffle House yesterday with my wife and used one of those fundraiser discount cards that was supposed to give me a 10% discount. The waitress whipped out a calculator and told me the new total was $10 lol. I handed her a $20 and told her to keep the change and she was delighted. I either participated in a scam or a complete dumbass thinks I’m generous.
 
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