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#27
#27
Cartervol said:
Give me that boise coach. He does more with less. A concept phil isn't familiar with.
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Good grief!!! How many times does this non-sense have to be corrected before it dies?

Peterson won with the team Hawkins built. Last year against horrible competition he was 1-2 against the only teams they played with a winning record and also lost to 4-9 Pac10 doormat Washington.

If you think this guy has done enough to trust him with UT's future.... I don't know what to say to you. He would be absolutely out of his class in the SEC.
 
#28
#28
sjt18 said:
Good grief!!! How many times does this non-sense have to be corrected before it dies?

Peterson won with the team Hawkins built. Last year against horrible competition he was 1-2 against the only teams they played with a winning record and also lost to 4-9 Pac10 doormat Washington.

If you think this guy has done enough to trust him with UT's future.... I don't know what to say to you. He would be absolutely out of his class in the SEC.
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There is nothing to correct and phil is out of his league in the sec of today. So now peterson is winning with hawkins recruits? Come on, I bet you can look up boise's recruiting classes for the last four or five years. I bet none are eye popping classes. Your arguement is weak my friend.
 
#29
#29
Maybe we should try to hire Jimmy Johnson.

I heard his Aunts, Sister, Brothers, uncles, cousins Step Brohters Mom knows the Janitors dad @ Tennessee..
 
#30
#30
No way UT hires some coach from little Connecticut to come to the SEC. He wouldn't last 2 years at this level. :post-4-1090547912::post-4-1090547912:
 
#31
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sjt18 said:
Good grief!!! How many times does this non-sense have to be corrected before it dies?

Peterson won with the team Hawkins built. Last year against horrible competition he was 1-2 against the only teams they played with a winning record and also lost to 4-9 Pac10 doormat Washington.

If you think this guy has done enough to trust him with UT's future.... I don't know what to say to you. He would be absolutely out of his class in the SEC.
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Here is some info for your weak arguement.
Recruiting ranking for boise state according to rivals
2002-74
2003-101
2004-85
2005-64
2006-70
2007-68

Yeah hawkins left that program just oozing with talent. Any nutt job could coach there:crazy:
Open mouth insert your foot.
 
#32
#32
Mscott88 said:
Maybe we should try to hire Jimmy Johnson.

I heard his Aunts, Sister, Brothers, uncles, cousins Step Brohters Mom knows the Janitors dad @ Tennessee..
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No, No, No....got it all wrong.

His Uncle's housekeeper, which her cousin does some baby sitting for his daughter. Here's where it gets hairy, The babysitter used to go to school with this family that had Dallas Cowboy's season tickets and now the father works as Fox. The father heard it from a Janitor at Fox.
 
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Business said:
No, No, No....got it all wrong.

His Uncle's housekeeper, which her cousin does some baby sitting for his daughter. Here's where it gets hairy, The babysitter used to go to school with this family that had Dallas Cowboy's season tickets and now the father works as Fox. The father heard it from a Janitor at Fox.
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Damn I can never get it Straight I knew someone was sleeping with the housekeeper though...
 
#36
#36
Cartervol said:
There is nothing to correct and phil is out of his league in the sec of today.
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Ummm, even if that's true what you are proposing is to bring a guy who hasn't proven he can do anything on his own much less compete with the best coaching talent in college football. This guy's career so far amounts to beating up your little sister after someone else tied her down.

So now peterson is winning with hawkins recruits?
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He did in 06. That's simply a fact of history.

If you ask me going 9-1 against a bunch of really bad losing teams (Weber St (FCS) 5-6, UW 4-8, Wyoming 5-7, USM 6-6, NMSU 4-9, Nevada 6-7, LaTech 5-7, SJSU 5-7, Utah St 2-10, Idaho 1-11) and 1-2 against teams with a winning record but who couldn't have beaten a single SEC team is not very impressive.

BSU lost to Hawaii and was statistically dominated 574-332 yards.... yep, say "Rainbow Warrior" team that was not only badly out-talented by UGA... they were completely outclassed coaching wise.

Come on, I bet you can look up boise's recruiting classes for the last four or five years. I bet none are eye popping classes. Your arguement is weak my friend.
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Recruiting rank in the WAC:
2004- 3rd behind Tulsa and SMU who are no longer in the WAC

2002- 6th
2003- 9th
2004- 3rd
2005- 1st
2006- 1st
2007- 1st
2008- 5th

Hawkins tenure was 2001 to 2005... making him primarily responsible for the 2002 through 2006 recruiting classes. He took over a program with little talent relative to his competition, built it up, and left it with top talent compared to the competition.

YES. Peterson's success is because of the team Hawkins built.

If you want the architect of Boise State's success, you go after Hawkins, not Peterson. That is something I've advocated btw consistently when talking about the next coach. I think Hawkins would be an excellent choice.
 
#37
#37
Cartervol said:
Here is some info for your weak arguement.
Recruiting ranking for boise state according to rivals
2002-74
2003-101
2004-85
2005-64
2006-70
2007-68

Yeah hawkins left that program just oozing with talent. Any nutt job could coach there:crazy:
Open mouth insert your foot.
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Hawkins built that team. To think he didn't is absolutely ridiculous.
 
#38
#38
Cartervol said:
Here is some info for your weak arguement.
Recruiting ranking for boise state according to rivals
2002-74
2003-101
2004-85
2005-64
2006-70
2007-68

Yeah hawkins left that program just oozing with talent. Any nutt job could coach there:crazy:
Open mouth insert your foot.
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See my last post and follow your own advice. Hawkins BUILT Boise State's image to the point where they were the DOMINANT recruiting program in the WAC.

Now that's saying something considering the WAC has Fresno, Hawaii, and LaTech which are much more attractive destinations than Boise.

BTW, your own post defeats your weak a-r-g-u-m-e-n-t. It was HAWKINS who did more with less, not Peterson.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Please explain why everyone loves Butch so much.
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If the powers that be think the outcry from the fans is bad now, wait til they hire some coach that has no business in the SEC. No freakin way that happens. They basically have three options

1) Hire an ex-NFL guy (Kiffin)
2) Hire a big name coordinator (Venables or Sarkisian)
3) Beg and throw incredible amounts of money at a big name college head coach (Butch Davis)
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1. relatively inexpensive among former NFL head coach (comparing to Saban and Petrino)
2. 6-yr head coach at Miami
3. 3.5-yr NFL head coach
4. build the UNC program upon nothing
5. recruit well (especially on defense)

Davis satisfies two of above three. And in terms of "big money" we might have to pay him, even Fulmer will earn 3+ million in next a few years. We won't need that much to hire Davis by just telling him that he will have to start low, but will get big raise if the team is doing well. The only problem now is to persuade Fulmer to resign (or retire, doesn't make any difference here) to avoid paying buy-out money.
 
#43
#43
Cartervol said:
Whatever.
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That's a great response when the facts simply don't bear out your argument.

For all I know, Peterson would come in and dominate the SEC... but nothing he's done so far at BSU suggests that is likely.

He gets alot of fan love for his entertaining game against a flat OU game. He was playing with nothing to lose and got a fluke win against a vastly superior team.

Anyone who thinks he's on the level of Stoops is out of their mind... and UT needs a Stoops caliber coach to compete in the SEC.
 
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UNC is one of the places in CFB that is more difficult to recruit football players to than UT. NC's talent base and quality of HSFB is no better than Tenn's.

Recruiting great players to Miami isn't all that impressive. Getting great players to UNC which Davis has done IS impressive.
 
#45
#45
sjt18 said:
That's a great response when the facts simply don't bear out your argument.

For all I know, Peterson would come in and dominate the SEC... but nothing he's done so far at BSU suggests that is likely.

He gets alot of fan love for his entertaining game against a flat OU game. He was playing with nothing to lose and got a fluke win against a vastly superior team.

Anyone who thinks he's on the level of Stoops is out of their mind... and UT needs a Stoops caliber coach to compete in the SEC.
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Well if thats so, Then Kiffin is not the answer...Thanks for clearing that up :good!:
 
#46
#46
sjt18 said:
That's a great response when the facts simply don't bear out your argument.

For all I know, Peterson would come in and dominate the SEC... but nothing he's done so far at BSU suggests that is likely.

He gets alot of fan love for his entertaining game against a flat OU game. He was playing with nothing to lose and got a fluke win against a vastly superior team.

Anyone who thinks he's on the level of Stoops is out of their mind... and UT needs a Stoops caliber coach to compete in the SEC.
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Good points, all of them. I like the way boise plays ball. They do all the little things well. They're a joy to watch play football. Wish i could say that about our team. Hawkins may have built it. But peterson is doing a good job of mantaining it. I love the grammar police by the way. I write posts in between jobs and don't always spell check, shoot me,or just keep pointing it out. Seems like the fashionable thing to do around here. I'am about at the point that i would take anyone over phil.
 
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#47
#47
Was getting tired of the same old Davis/Gruden/Peterson/Kiffin/insert coach who is currently unbeaten at the 2nd level school of the week~~~~~
 
#48
#48
The original post does have merit. If Peterson, who is an incompetent fool, selects our next football coach it will be some second rate ham and egger like Edsall.
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#49
#49
VOLnMiami said:
Well if thats so, Then Kiffin is not the answer...Thanks for clearing that up :good!:
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He may not be but he's probably a better choice at this point than Peterson.

Again, given my choice, I'd take Hawkins and have been saying that for a long time.

I also think guys like Marrone or Kippy Brown could come back into that picture.

I like Butch Davis and think he would do well.

He hasn't been mentioned that I've seen but an earlier link to an NCSU site made me think. Tom O'Brien is an exceptional coach.

I'm not ready to prefer just anyone over Fulmer... "change", the ever so popular mantra that seems to appeal to those with empty heads, isn't always good.

Contrary to what some may believe, things can get much worse at UT. There's no accompanying guarantee that "worse" would be a forerunner of better either. Things could go badly even if Fulmer's replacement were great choice. Not all of the repercussions of Fulmer's departure will be within the control of the next coach to fix.
 
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