Next Up on the Sexual Abuse Front......Roy Moore

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1972 Grad said:
I subjected myself to being called a pedophile by standing up for a good man doing the Lord's work. I tried to explain the nuances between pedophilia and ephebophilia, but it fell on the deaf ears of the unwashed masses on VN.

I tried to explore the possibilities of the good judge self identifying as a 16 year old boy, even though he was 32 at the time. I tried to say that the girl lied about her age. I should have just called it for what it actually is......a vast left wing conspiracy. There is precedent for that.
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Got some news for you: Moore's not a good man and he sure isn't doing the Lord's work
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Wow, Republicans have gone full retard. 40% of Alabamans say the accusations make them more likely to vote for Moore. WTF is wrong with people? People comparing this dolt to Jesus. This is some of the most ignorant garbage I've ever seen. It's no wonder people think that the south is full of uneducated, backwards, incest loving fools...

And 72, your troll game was money in this thread.
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Don't be stupid. You are looking at it wrong. You know the thing about cornered animals and fighting back?

This game was played when the Dims thought they had the opposition backed into a corner. Timing made changing the ballots impossible, and who actually does write in ballots these days? They figured they pulled a fast one and they figured wrong.

We pull for the underdog around here, and that's especially true when we are the underdog. Had the women made their claims when there was recourse, it would have been different - Moore would have been the villain. Do it this way to force people to vote for the other guy, and they go into the corner with Moore.

Cons only work if you understand the audience. Libs who control the Dim party are too arrogant to understand how little they actually know. Arrogance and stupidity combined make for a really bad mindset.
 
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Septic said:
I agree that it's a protest vote - though the irony is that Moore is as every bit as slimy as the establishment (and now, even more so.)

The adage of cutting off one nose to spite ones face comes to mind.
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But Moore's transgressions weren't bad enough when they were relevant for these women to come forward and have a slimy guy removed from office? They are only relevant now in the court of public opinion where there is no recourse to prove or disprove the allegation? BS.

Where has the civic responsibility borne by all these women been for the years that a "bad guy" was in office?
 
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AM64 said:
But Moore's transgressions weren't bad enough when they were relevant for these women to come forward and have a slimy guy removed from office? They are only relevant now in the court of public opinion where there is no recourse to prove or disprove the allegation? BS.

Where has the civic responsibility borne by all these women been for the years that a "bad guy" was in office?
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One could ask the same of Bill Cosby's accusers. Or really any women whose levied an allegation against any of the men who have a enjoyed years of abusive behavior thanks to the silence of their victims.

Are Moore's accusers any less credible due to the length of their silence than Cosby's? Both were powerful men respectively; is it possible that the disparity in belief/credibility in your opinion is due to partisan inconvenience?
 
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Septic said:
One could ask the same of Bill Cosby's accusers. Or really any women whose levied an allegation against any of the men who have a enjoyed years of abusive behavior thanks to the silence of their victims.

Are Moore's accusers any less credible due to the length of their silence than Cosby's? Both were powerful men respectively; is it possible that the disparity in belief/credibility in your opinion is due to partisan inconvenience?
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I don't recall having said anything about Cosby, but my thoughts are the same. I think most of these guys probably took liberties; power (legitimate or perceived) gives people a propensity to act without much fear of reprisal.

I also believe both sexes trade on physical attributes and attraction for favor. It doesn't mean they weren't wronged, but it's something like taking a shortcut down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood thinking you won't be a victim even though there were plenty of others.

Being a victim means you were a victim when something actually happened - not when it's opportune. If you are a victim let it be known then; save someone else from the same fate; otherwise you are an enabler and potentially an opportunist.
 
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AM64 said:
I don't recall having said anything about Cosby, but my thoughts are the same. I think most of these guys probably took liberties; power (legitimate or perceived) gives people a propensity to act without much fear of reprisal.

I also believe both sexes trade on physical attributes and attraction for favor. It doesn't mean they weren't wronged, but it's something like taking a shortcut down a dark alley in a bad neighborhood thinking you won't be a victim even though there were plenty of others.

Being a victim means you were a victim when something actually happened - not when it's opportune. If you are a victim let it be known then; save someone else from the same fate; otherwise you are an enabler and potentially an opportunist.
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What? There's a lot of presupposition going on in this last paragraph.

Is Terri Crews being an opportunist by coming forward with his story? Just because it's politically inconvenient for Moore and the GOP doesn't mean his accusers are opportunists and not victims, that's insanity.
 
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Septic said:
What? There's a lot of presupposition going on in this last paragraph.

Is Terri Crews being an opportunist by coming forward with his story? Just because it's politically inconvenient for Moore and the GOP doesn't mean his accusers are opportunists and not victims, that's insanity.
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Then why come forward right now at this particular time? You don't think that's opportunism? She had decades and chose one point in the time span. A batter could theoretically swing any time a pitch is in the air, but supposedly he reserves it for the opportune factional second for some strange and possibly insane reason according to your thought process.

I find it fascinating that so many people are willing to believe "the Russians" are tampering with elections for political or monetary gain, yet you are unwilling to see the same process at work here.
 
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AM64 said:
Then why come forward right now at this particular time? You don't think that's opportunism? She had decades and chose one point in the time span. A batter could theoretically swing any time a pitch is in the air, but supposedly he reserves it for the opportune factional second for some strange and possibly insane reason according to your thought process.

I find it fascinating that so many people are willing to believe "the Russians" are tampering with elections for political or monetary gain, yet you are unwilling to see the same process at work here.
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It's completely plausible that there are partisan forces at work, however it doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. In fact, I believe it just as likely that the GOP is behind this as the Dems's (if not more so.)

Politics is a contact sport, having dirt on a colleague is valuable. As you've stated, timing is everything.
 
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Septic said:
It's completely plausible that there are partisan forces at work, however it doesn't mean the allegations aren't true. In fact, I believe it just as likely that the GOP is behind this as the Dems's (if not more so.)

Politics is a contact sport, having dirt on a colleague is valuable. As you've stated, timing is everything.
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The GOP would have had a reason to play the game during the primaries - Strange had a lot of GOP support. As much as I believe there's not much sign of intelligent life among politicians, Reps don't strike me as stupid or vengeful enough to elect a Dim. This is all about timing - if you consider an R or D seat in congress as currency - simply follow the money and it's obvious who is doing the tampering.
 
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volinbham said:
The right? How about both parties - neither practice what they preach or give a damn about principle. There is no moral high ground to be found.
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Yes, the right. Short memories around here. Hasn't been that long since same sex marriages were in the headlines, or abortions were being debated by candidates or transgender this or that.

Am I wrong that the religious right in this country have long touted themselves as the arbiters of morality? The same ones selling out for Roy Moore?
 
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Septic said:
Yes, the right. Short memories around here. Hasn't been that long since same sex marriages were in the headlines, or abortions were being debated by candidates or transgender this or that.

Am I wrong that the religious right in this country have long touted themselves as the arbiters of morality? The same ones selling out for Roy Moore?
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your not wrong - you are incomplete. Plenty of morality chest beating on the left about the War on Women, any manner of victimhood, being tolerant, etc but we see the same moral failings by those proclaiming these virtues the loudest.

Morality isn't just family values preaching - it's lecturing others on what values are the correct ones and shaming those who don't comply. The Left is at least as good at this as the Right is. I see very few of our elected leaders standing on principle and most making politically expedient choices while blasting the other side for doing the exact same thing.
 
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volinbham said:
your not wrong - you are incomplete. Plenty of morality chest beating on the left about the War on Women, any manner of victimhood, being tolerant, etc but we see the same moral failings by those proclaiming these virtues the loudest.

Morality isn't just family values preaching - it's lecturing others on what values are the correct ones and shaming those who don't comply. The Left is at least as good at this as the Right is. I see very few of our elected leaders standing on principle and most making politically expedient choices while blasting the other side for doing the exact same thing.
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I guess. I've never equated a 'war on women' or a perceived hollow 'tolerance' with the legislation of morality by those pandering to a very specific voting bloc.

You're right with respects to neither side having a lick of genuine principle. Both sides do claim the position, I just thought it was universally recognized that the right did a better job.
 
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Septic said:
I guess. I've never equated a 'war on women' or a perceived hollow 'tolerance' with the legislation of morality by those pandering to a very specific voting bloc.

You're right with respects to neither side having a lick of principle. Both sides do claim the position, I just thought it was universally recognized that the right did a better job.
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Almost every argument from left politicians are morality based - if you hold divergent policy positions you are: racist, sexist, xenophobic, greedy, hate the poor, hate Muslims, etc. One of the great ironies is how it's perfectly fine to absolutely trash religious righties for their beliefs and stereotype them all day long but then destroy someone for being anti-Islamic in even the slightest way.

It's all a morality play. Your character is flawed if you don't agree with our policy positions.

The right politicians do it too. Neither side has the advantage here so far as I can tell.
 
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Septic said:
I guess. I've never equated a 'war on women' or a perceived hollow 'tolerance' with the legislation of morality by those pandering to a very specific voting bloc.

You're right with respects to neither side having a lick of genuine principle. Both sides do claim the position, I just thought it was universally recognized that the right did a better job.
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I'm generalizing, but when the right does their shtick, it comes off as sanctimonious and hypocritical. When the left does it, it comes off as virtue signalling and selective outrage.

In other words, they are both the same.
 
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