Newton's And Einstein's Theories Under Assault

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Being in the Time when Scientific Discovery and innovated thinking are accelerating at a ever growing pace. Every now and then you see something that is leaps and bounds above the fray. Where the implications are awe inspiring and the search for knowledge takes a quantum leap forward. Here we are at the beginning of such a discovery if proven, changes everything we thought we knew and leads to opening doors beyond imagination.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/13/science/13gravity.html?src=mv


Is Gravity an Illusion? | Benzinga.com

Thoughts.....
 
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I'm just a dumb Tennessee boy but how could a force that is fairly precise and predictable be the random result of other forces?
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That gave me a headache. I did get a chuckle out of this:

Thanu Padmanabhan of the Inter-University Center for Astronomy and Astrophysics in Pune, India,
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It reminded me that we had a student applicant who's undergrad was from the University of Pune. We laughed all day and wondered if the school nickname was the 'Tangs. Sounded like a Cinemax movie title.

I guess me laughing at that explains why I don't get String Theory...
 
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tri_vol said:
I'm just a dumb Tennessee boy but how could a force that is fairly precise and predictable be the random result of other forces?
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many of the things that we thing of as a single entity are actually a combination of other forces. Centripetal force, boiling water.....etc.
 
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tri_vol said:
I'm just a dumb Tennessee boy but how could a force that is fairly precise and predictable be the random result of other forces?
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crazyguy said:
many of the things that we thing of as a single entity are actually a combination of other forces. Centripetal force, boiling water.....etc.
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Cause and effect.....Causality.
 
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This story highlights the unique set of attributes that a scientists must hold in order to effectively change the theories that science has been built upon. It is not enough to come up with an idea that you can support with some manner of logic-the rigorous work to substantiate one's ideas with at least mathematical, if not experimental, work must begin. This is made especially difficult when you seem to be the only person who has any idea what you are talking about.
 
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tri_vol said:
I'm just a dumb Tennessee boy but how could a force that is fairly precise and predictable be the random result of other forces?
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The human mind works by taking complex events and simplifying them, categorizing, them organizing them. Such it is with everything. We perceive something as being "A." That doesn't mean isn't a formulation of many interactions and factors. It's where the "God concept" comes from, where we assume there must be some central force running things. That isn't necessarily the case, it is just the easiest possibility for us to think about.
 
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It doesn't seem to be a stretch of the imagination that the laws of thermodynamics could possibly extend to describe such things as gravity. It isn't like the laws of thermodynamics were written on a tablet and handed down to us - they are our categorization of the order of things as we understand them and have stood the test of time. The underlying drivers that make them so repeatable/observable and how those drivers interact to lead to other observations is still a matter of ongoing study.

However, I really don't understand where he is going with gravity being the extension of maximization of entropy. I don't see that connection from what is written in the linked article.
 
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You are right on about the laws of thermodynamics, or anything, being written on a tablet and handed down to us. How we perceive and comprehend the universe is not the same as "how the universe is", necessarily.
 
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tri_vol said:
I'm just a dumb Tennessee boy but how could a force that is fairly precise and predictable be the random result of other forces?
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TennTradition said:
However, I really don't understand where he is going with gravity being the extension of maximization of entropy. I don't see that connection from what is written in the linked article.
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random result of other forces = an environment filled with ΔS

If you have several random events occuring that are still able to produce a consistent outcome repeatedly, then you have essentially just violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If you start off with random inputs, you should have varying and random outputs on each occasion or incident. The laws of gravity are not random in any observable form or fashion. We can predict outcomes and behaviors based soley on the work that Newton provided some 400 years ago.
 
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I think he's trying to say that gravity is the result of the least energy costly mechanism for the universe.
 
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Methinks if Einstein and Newton were wrong then nature has a lot of explaining to do.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
random result of other forces = an environment filled with ΔS

If you have several random events occuring that are still able to produce a consistent outcome repeatedly, then you have essentially just violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If you start off with random inputs, you should have varying and random outputs on each occasion or incident. The laws of gravity are not random in any observable form or fashion. We can predict outcomes and behaviors based soley on the work that Newton provided some 400 years ago.
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This.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
random result of other forces = an environment filled with ΔS

If you have several random events occuring that are still able to produce a consistent outcome repeatedly, then you have essentially just violated the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If you start off with random inputs, you should have varying and random outputs on each occasion or incident. The laws of gravity are not random in any observable form or fashion. We can predict outcomes and behaviors based soley on the work that Newton provided some 400 years ago.
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I don't understand why you are invoking the occurrence of multiple random events.

Also, I don't see why an entropic force must produce random results. Osmosis is driven by an entropic force in the form of chemical potential, a Gibbs free energy minimization related directly to maximizing the number of possible configurations - i.e., an entropic driving force. Yet, there is a predictable and observable behavior for osmosis.
 
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