"New York Times: Vols' Hiring of Kiffin Exemplifies College Football's Race Barrier"

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#77
Vercingetorix said:
Well, this is the important point, and something those people calling for college football to adopt a Rooney Rule need to keep in mind. How are people supposed to know which candidates a school has interviewed when the whole hiring process is so secretive? When it's standard for both parties to deny that they've had any contact at all until suddenly they're holding a press conference?

You can't fix this until you make the entire process more transparent, and it's hard to see that happening in this whole era of airplane-tracking, clandestine meetings in airports and hotels, and so on. I mean, it's standard operating procedure for a school to hire a search firm specifically to hide who they're talking to. How are you supposed to enforce a Rooney Rule in that kind of environment?
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This isn't necessarily information the public needs to know or has a right to. There are plenty of reasons for candidates' identies to be hidden - with a big one being to protect the candidates themselves.

Provided there is an oversight operation, this is not public information. I work for a university and we have to comply with hiring practices including advertising the job in places where minority candidates can access the information. We document who we interview but the information is kept confidential. I would never reveal who we interviewed and did not hire.
 
#79
#79
When a northern writer has an opportunity to write about the South and racism he figures he can miss with his misinformed yankee readers.
 
#81
#81
As soon as Barkley mentioned the word "resumé ," I knew we were going to get roped into this. And you know what? Maybe it's justified. I never heard us seriously linked to a minority candidate. (A phone call to Lovie Smith does not count as serious.)

Like most of you, I don't care what color our coach's skin is. I just want to hire the best guy for the job. But if I hire the coach I think is the best guy, and you hire the guy you think is best, and Jim hires somebody he thinks is best, and 100 other guys hire the coaches they think are best, and every single one of them turns out to be a white guy -- well, at some point it becomes obvious that the selection process is seriously flawed, and it's important to talk about why that might be the case. I don't really have a problem with our name coming up as part of that discussion.
 
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volinbham said:
This isn't necessarily information the public needs to know or has a right to. There are plenty of reasons for candidates' identies to be hidden - with a big one being to protect the candidates themselves.

Provided there is an oversight operation, this is not public information. I work for a university and we have to comply with hiring practices including advertising the job in places where minority candidates can access the information. We document who we interview but the information is kept confidential. I would never reveal who we interviewed and did not hire.
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I'm not necessarily arguing that it's information that ought to be public; I'm just saying that implementing a Rooney Rule in college, which seems to be a popular notion these days, is going to be impossible until it is.

That said, the cloak-and-dagger stuff is all about poaching coaches who are under contract to other schools, so I'm hard-pressed to have much sympathy for it as some sacrosanct right-to-privacy issue.
 
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VOLinNCsayWHAAAT said:
Nashville - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind - <em>New York Times</em>: Vols' Hiring of Kiffin Exemplifies College Football's Race Barrier - Nashville Scene

Utterly rediculous. You can't compare our hiring of a coach with a poor NFL record in Oakland to the Gene Chizick situation. And to throw the race card in this direction by putting us as the headline in the NY Times is simply unwarranted. :nono:
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EXTRA, EXTRA!!

"Northern hack clueless about college football writes story that clicks with other northerners who are only slightly less clueless about college football."

Evening Edition Preview:
"Northern hack clueless about college football makes up facts and plagiarizes Pat Forde article from four days ago; NYT's journalistic integrity intact and going strong..."
 
#87
#87
I am offended that white coaches get fired faster than African American coaches. If Coach Crooms would have been white, he would have been gone two years ago. The race card being played on Tennessee and Auburn is ridiculous.
 
#88
#88
A Rooney Rule wouldn't work in college ball.

Who you hire isn't all about a resume. It also includes how they sell themselves in the interview. And do they have a previous connection to that university. Fact is a lot of college's want a former staff member when they're looking for coaches. Or at someone with ties to the university. Someone they think will be loyal or truly give everything they have. Chizik was a former coach at Auburn. He could have had a perfect interview for all we know.

If racism was a factor in this, I feel bad for Gill, but he probably would be better off somewhere else instead.

But I'm not going to instantly assume racism. Or insist that colleges should be forced to interview/hire black candidates.

Personally, I think it's stupid in the NFL for the same reason. Hiring a head coach is more than resume.
 
#90
#90
They should have hired me. I'm black. Sure I don't know much about coaching, or couldn't pull a 2* recruit if I wanted to. I couldn't bring the staff that Lane could, but still if they would've hired me none of this would have happened. Screw the fact that Kiffin was probably the best qualified for the job and is bringing a staff that will have Saban wishing he was in the ACC. They should have hired me. Sure there are more black coaches that are way more qualified than I am, I think the only black coach that would be considered better than Kiffin, that were rumored, would be Lovie Smith. Considering that was a bigger stretch than getting Gruden, and Kiffin was the best qualified, they should have hired me. Racist jerks.
 
#91
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orangegrass said:
I am offended that white coaches get fired faster than African American coaches. If Coach Crooms would have been white, he would have been gone two years ago. The race card being played on Tennessee and Auburn is ridiculous.
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Way to play their game :ermm:
 
#92
#92
Croom was stuck in a terrible position at MSU. He was a better coach than was shown. That may be the worst job in the SEC.
 
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#93
VolsByNature said:
They should have hired me. I'm black. Sure I don't know much about coaching, or couldn't pull a 2* recruit if I wanted to. I couldn't bring the staff that Lane could, but still if they would've hired me none of this would have happened. Screw the fact that Kiffin was probably the best qualified for the job and is bringing a staff that will have Saban wishing he was in the ACC. They should have hired me. Sure there are more black coaches that are way more qualified than I am, I think the only black coach that would be considered better than Kiffin, that were rumored, would be Lovie Smith. Considering that was a bigger stretch than getting Gruden, and Kiffin was the best qualified, they should have hired me. Racist jerks.
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haha... you have my support.
 
#94
#94
Someone before mentioned the Syracuse job. Interesting the times did not pick up on Syracuse also dismissing Gill and hiring someone else. Gill probably would have been a great fit for Syracuse especially for recruiting and knowing the upstate New York area.
 
#95
#95
Does anyone here think Turner Gill would have built this staff that is coming . Should we hire him because he is black i think not get over it we made the correct choice considering every aspect i think
 
#96
#96
VOLSTER said:
Does anyone here think Turner Gill would have built this staff that is coming . Should we hire him because he is black i think not get over it we made the correct choice considering every aspect i think
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nothing against Gill, but his father's name is not Monte.
 
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VolGirl81 said:
Someone before mentioned the Syracuse job. Interesting the times did not pick up on Syracuse also dismissing Gill and hiring someone else. Gill probably would have been a great fit for Syracuse especially for recruiting and knowing the upstate New York area.
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Now you know that just wouldn't have been nearly as much fun for the times! What would a good racially themed article be without a dig at the south?
 
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VOLinNCsayWHAAAT said:
Nashville - Nashville Scene - Pith in the Wind - <em>New York Times</em>: Vols' Hiring of Kiffin Exemplifies College Football's Race Barrier - Nashville Scene

Utterly rediculous. You can't compare our hiring of a coach with a poor NFL record in Oakland to the Gene Chizick situation. And to throw the race card in this direction by putting us as the headline in the NY Times is simply unwarranted. :nono:
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If you expect to find truth in reporting in a rag like the NY Times then you need to think again. The Times once stood as the Nation's premier newspaper, but that was some time ago my friend. The NY Times only has slightly more credibility than the Enquirer now days.
 
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