New poll: its Newt's turn ....

[BigPapaVol]

It's very short-sighted. I can't really come up with a scenario in which this would shrink government (it may lower HC costs like you say, but I doubt that). Even if it did, the precedent set is that government can basically force us to do anything. You have widened the scope and power of the government if they can force people to buy a private good.

they force liability insurance today and I would bet anything that Gingrinch is in support of it because it facilitates a better auto insurance market for everyone else.

 

[lawgator1]

but the favorability stuff is silliness at this point. You're talking about social conservatives who love to vote their Bibles, but aren't going to skip an election and aren't about to ever vote for the liberals.

It would probably translate into some turnout problems, but obviously the people who do not like Romney absolutely loathe Obama and would not ever actually vote for him, I agree.

The main point is that if Romney cannot excite his own base at this point then this muted support problem is surely going to manifest itself across the board in the general.

 

[lawgator1]

they force liability insurance today and I would bet anything that Gingrinch is in support of it because it facilitates a better auto insurance market for everyone else.

If you need proof of that principle try renting a car in South Florida without buying the uninsured motorist coverage.

 

[volinbham]

And Obama is polling 6 points over Romney at the moment and hasn't had to spend hardly anything, yet. Romney, meanwhile, has had all this free time plus has been actively campaigning.

Poll offers hope both for Obama and Republicans - latimes.com

Republicans are blowing this. It is remarkable.

Actually, the most recent poll has Romney 4 points over Obama but rather than cherry pick why not look at the average.



Looks like a dead heat at this point.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2012 - General Election: Romney vs. Obama

 

[Lexvol]

LG is holding his breath...hoping for Muschamp and Wies to throw their hats in the ring.

 

[BigPapaVol]

It would probably translate into some turnout problems, but obviously the people who do not like Romney absolutely loathe Obama and would not ever actually vote for him, I agree.

The main point is that if Romney cannot excite his own base at this point then this muted support problem is surely going to manifest itself across the board in the general.

low voter turnout isn't going to be a problem for those opposing Obama. Bush showed us how much being epically poor will enhance opposition turnout. The conservatives have Obama helping massively with turnout. The problem for Romney will be a third party candidate who gives legit conscientious voters a good option.

 

[volinbham]

low voter turnout isn't going to be a problem for those opposing Obama. Bush showed us how much being epically poor will enhance opposition turnout. The conservatives have Obama helping massively with turnout. The problem for Romney will be a third party candidate who gives legit conscientious voters a good option.

Yep - 3rd party guy/gal is the biggest problem for a Romney win.

 

[n_huffhines]

they force liability insurance today and I would bet anything that Gingrinch is in support of it because it facilitates a better auto insurance market for everyone else.

But that's different. Auto insurance is forced on those who want to be allowed the privilege of government roads. Health insurance would be forced on those who want to be allowed the privilege of simply living?

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

And Obama is polling 6 points over Romney at the moment and hasn't had to spend hardly anything, yet. Romney, meanwhile, has had all this free time plus has been actively campaigning.

Poll offers hope both for Obama and Republicans - latimes.com

Republicans are blowing this. It is remarkable.

Election 2012: Pennsylvania Generic Presidential Ballot - Rasmussen Reports

Pennsylvania is a must win state for President Obama’s reelection bid, but early polling shows the state might be competitive.

Just 48% of Likely Voters in the state approve of the way that the president is performing his job, while 51% disapprove, according to new Rasmussen Reports polling data. Those figures include 19% who Strongly Approve and 39% who Strongly Disapprove, giving the president an Approval Index rating of -20.

Election 2012: Ohio Generic Presidential Ballot - Rasmussen Reports

Most voters in the important swing state of Ohio disapprove of the way President Obama is handling his job, and an overwhelming majority believe the nation has gotten off on the wrong track.

Missouri 2012: Romney 45%, Obama 42% - Rasmussen Reports

So goes Missouri, so goes the nation. No state has supported the winner in more presidential elections than the Show Me State, and right now Mitt Romney is the only Republican presidential hopeful who leads President Obama among Missouri voters.

The first Rasmussen Reports Election 2012 survey of Likely Missouri Voters finds Romney with 45% support to the president’s 42%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lot/election_2012_generic_presidential_ballot

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds the generic Republican earning 46% support, while the president picks up 42% of the vote. Four percent (4%) prefer some other candidate, and eight percent (8%) are undecided.

That 8% undecided isnt voting for O

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

Republicans hold a seven-point advantage over Democrats on the Generic Congressional Ballot for the week ending Sunday, November 6.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 44% of Likely U.S. Voters would vote for the Republican in their district’s congressional race if the election was held now, while 37% would choose the Democrat instead.

 

[lawgator1]

LG is holding his breath...hoping for Muschamp and Wies to throw their hats in the ring.

low voter turnout isn't going to be a problem for those opposing Obama. Bush showed us how much being epically poor will enhance opposition turnout. The conservatives have Obama helping massively with turnout. The problem for Romney will be a third party candidate who gives legit conscientious voters a good option.

Yep - 3rd party guy/gal is the biggest problem for a Romney win.

Third party? How realistic is that?

I mean, maybe Ron Paul since he has absolutely NO ties to the GOP institutionally and doesn't give a crap about the GOP, as a party. But really he'd be under tremendous pressure to bow completely out.

None of the others would want to risk their chances in '16.

Just don't see a viable Perot this go 'round.

 

[BigPapaVol]

But that's different. Auto insurance is forced on those who want to be allowed the privilege of government roads. Health insurance would be forced on those who want to be allowed the privilege of simply living?

how about those who would like to have Medicare available to them?



The uninsured medical bill problem is as costly as anything in the entire industry and continues to be spread out over a smaller percentage of the population. I understand opting out and wanting to opt out, but it's destructive to the system in the end.

I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but do understand how someone could come down on that side of the debate and still be for limited government.

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but do understand how someone could come down on that side of the debate and still be for limited government.

K, we wore that one out...not that you have to prove anything to me, but you haven't pointed to anything that qualifies him as conservative. A sample of Newt's large government record:

• Voted for Dept. of Education
• Voted for funding of the National Endowment for the Arts
• Called FDR the greatest figure of the 20th century because he "did bring us out of the Depression"
• Consistently voted for foreign aid
• Voted consistently for Federal land control
• Has voiced strong support for cap and trade

 

[dreVol]

More polling data stuff.

Gingrich takes the lead - Public Policy Polling

 

[gsvol]

CNN Poll: Gingrich soars, Cain drops – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

Cain dropped 11 points in the last two weeks. Majority believes the women accusers and a third of GOP voters think he should quit.

Romney can't do better than 25 %. Ever. Just amazing how he is so flat-lined despite all the upheaval.

And so the only one left is Newt, and he predictably therefore becomes the anti-Romney candidate, with 22 % to Romney's 24 %, effectively a tie.

Wonder what the over/under is going to be for how long Newt can stay up in the top anti- Romney spot? I'll go with 4 weeks, because as soon as Romney sees Newt as a viable threat, the public is going to be reminded of all of his ... excesses.

SCREW the Communist News Network, I never believe a word they say.


Barney Frank | Newt Gingrich | Jon Huntsman | The Daily Caller

On Friday night’s “Real Time with Bill Maher” on HBO, Massachusetts Democratic Rep. Barney Frank, who is perhaps one of the most liberal members of the House of Representatives,” (not to mention it's unopposed queen) offered his suggestions on who the Republicans should nominate to face President Barack Obama in the 2012 election.

His first choice probably wasn’t a surprise, being he is arguably the least conservative in the field – former U.S. ambassador to China and former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman.
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But his second choice was former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, his House of Representatives colleague of 18 years. However, the reason were less ideological and more about politics.

“If I had my druthers, it would be Newt Gingrich,” Frank said. “Yes, because here’s the deal: Newt, poor Newt was struggling and he is convinced he is the intellectual leader of the free world. And when you think you’re the intellectual leader of the free world and you’re fighting to get ahead of Michele Bachmann in the polls, it is unsettling to you. It undercuts you. So he was looking for a way to get ahead and he decided that attacking me is one of the ways to do it.

“And I have to say this: We always like our colleagues to feel grateful. If, because he has attacked me, Newt Gingrich manages to get the nomination, the Democratic Party will owe me so much. I will have everything I want for the rest of my political career.”

That evokes some rather disturbing imagry to me.

 

[BeecherVol]

He is very smart. But to some degree irascible and intolerant. He is dismissive and arrogant of other points of view. A bit of a know-it-all in demeanor.

Right down your alley then.

 

[lawgator1]

Right down your alley then.

I'm not running for office.


If anyone knows something about Newt Gingrich, it is his former wife, Marianne, and Richardson scored an interview with her. She is someone with a bone to pick, one that stems from the ending of their 18-year marriage with an affair. She knows a lot, and has never before spoken out. Richardson notes she is a "Tea Party" conservative. She believes in what she thought Newt Gingrich believed in, too.

Newt proposed to Marianne (she was 28, he 36) in 1980 while his first wife, Jackie, was in the hospital recovering from treatments for uterine cancer. He hadn't yet even asked her for a divorce. Newt met Jackie in high school. She was his geometry teacher. He was sixteen, she was 25. When he left, Jackie was nearly destitute. Jackie, the Esquire story reports, "had to get a court order just to pay her utility bills."

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Some of them are explosive in a town that privileges quiet staffers over mouthy associates. "He's a sociopath, but he's our sociopath," Marianne Gingrich quotes his staffers as saying, during the late 1990s when the House Ethics Committee investigated Gingrich's GOPAC's donations and his charity fundraising came under suspicion.
Callista Bisek, Gingrich's current wife, became his mistress first and his wife second (really third, if one is counting wives), while Marianne was home visiting her mother. In 1999, Marianne had just been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Newt asked Callista to marry him before he and Marianne had agreed to divorce. The affair had been going on for years. Newt compared Marianne to a "Jaguar" and Callista to a "Chevrolet" and said he needed a Chevrolet, not a Jaguar, according to the Esquire story. In 2000 the couple wed.

Even so Gingrich continued to give speeches about family. "How do you give that speech and do what you are doing?" Marianne asked him. They were in the death throes of their relationship. "It doesn't matter what I do," he told her, according to the Esquire story. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I say. It doesn't matter what I live."

He recently converted to Catholicism and asked Marianne to agree to an annulment. "It has no meaning," Marianne Gingrich told Richardson. (Amy Sullivan, writing in Time magazine last year, noted that it might be a prep move for a 2012 bid, and also noted that Callista is a lifelong Catholic and sings in the choir.)

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The former Mrs. Gingrich believes that Gingrich's do-what-I say, not what I do philosophy will be his undoing. "There's no way," she tells Richardson, of Gingrich becoming president. "He could have been president. But when you try and change your history too much, and try and recolor it because you don't like the way it was or you want it to be different to prove something new...you lose touch with who you really are. You lose your way...He believes that what he says in public and how he lives doesn't have to be connected. If you believe that, then yeah, you can run for president."

 

[BeecherVol]

No, the last guy you vote for fits the same description.

 

[lawgator1]

No, the last guy you vote for fits the same description.

Barack Obama had affairs with two women on his way to two divorces (one in the hospital, the other just diagnosed with MS) and three wives and had to be hauled into court by the one with cancer so she could keep the lights on?

 

[BeecherVol]

What does this.

Barack Obama had affairs with two women on his way to two divorces (one in the hospital, the other just diagnosed with MS) and three wives and had to be hauled into court by the one with cancer so she could keep the lights on?

Have to do with what I quoted. Which was this.

He is very smart. But to some degree irascible and intolerant. He is dismissive and arrogant of other points of view. A bit of a know-it-all in demeanor.





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Obama fits the description you posted for Newt. Of course that FL sand might be obstructing your view but thats normal.

 

[lawgator1]

Sorry, but when all that stuff gets brought out again and talked about at length, as bitter as those folks are, Newt will plummet in the polls.

Absolute rock bottom.

Face it, its Romney. Basically the Derek Dooley of presidential politics. Casper Milquetoast.

 

[NEO]

His work with Clinton and both aisles trumps any stupid ex-wive crap you or anyone else brings outs.

He's not my first choice, Cain is, but he is my second.

 

[BeecherVol]

Sorry, but when all that stuff gets brought out again and talked about at length, as bitter as those folks are, Newt will plummet in the polls.

Absolute rock bottom.

Face it, its Romney. Basically the Derek Dooley of presidential politics. Casper Milquetoast.

Thats fine, and may very well be the case.
But suggesting Obama is anything less that what you described Newt as being is straight up homer.

 

[BeecherVol]

Sorry, but when all that stuff gets brought out again and talked about at length, as bitter as those folks are, Newt will plummet in the polls.

Absolute rock bottom.

Face it, its Romney. Basically the Derek Dooley of presidential politics. Casper Milquetoast.

Don't think Obama wants to run against Romney. Thats my opinion.
He'll get my vote in the general if he makes it there.

 

[BeecherVol]

Sorry, but when all that stuff gets brought out again and talked about at length, as bitter as those folks are, Newt will plummet in the polls.

Absolute rock bottom.

Face it, its Romney. Basically the Derek Dooley of presidential politics. Casper Milquetoast.

Speaking of such. Are the gators on board with WM?

 

[lawgator1]

Speaking of such. Are the gators on board with WM?

Those under 25 are screaming for his head because we aren't winning. Those over 40, like myself, are fine with 1-2 more years, although that will quickly change if the penalty situation continues next year. Those in between just want to know if we are going to beat FSU because that's all they care about.