New Offensive Coordinator

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Heebs said:
In what world is Mike Martz considered a bad OC?
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ask the folks in San Francisco, Detroit, and now Chicago.

Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Orlando Pace and Torry Holt... all in their prime, (four hall of famers and a torry holt) could make me look like a genius too.
 
#55
#55
No one could be a good OC with Chicago's OL.

And what's so bad about tutoring Jon Kitna into a 4,000 yard season?

And what was he able to work with in San Fran? No Alex Smith, just JT O Sullivan and Shaun Hill...and Hill actually had a decent season.

I really don't know what your argument is here about Martz. The guy can flat out coach offense. Cutler's just an idiot.
 
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#56
#56
At some point there has to be some stability in the program. Fer gawd's sake give it a rest and see how things develop over more than a few month period.
 
#57
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I was a the game last night. As I watched the first half, I was amazed at how they completely gave up on the run. When we did run it before half time, we drove down the field. We have got to get more balance. Another thing that I was shocked by. Everyone knows how good Julio Jones is. Why in the he** didn't we have someone over the top on him? We were in single man on him for most of the night. He was open every single play for cripes sake!!! I am really concerned about the decision making so far. To come out after half time and give up a BOMB to Julio after he had torched us in the first half is frustrating for me. WE WERE DOWN 10-13!!! PEOPLE HELLLOO CALL A DEFENSE THAT WILL GIVE MY CORNER SOME FREAKING HELP PLEASE!!!!!!!:clapping:
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
ask the folks in San Francisco, Detroit, and now Chicago.

Kurt Warner, Marshall Faulk, Isaac Bruce, Orlando Pace and Torry Holt... all in their prime, (four hall of famers and a torry holt) could make me look like a genius too.
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I believe your ego has gotten the best of you.
It would take much more than that for you to even resemble a genius.
 
#59
#59
Why do our fans act as if this team is good? Chaney also didn't tell idiot Simms to throw the pick at goal line that broke our back. This staff is dealing with other peoples mess but we keep blaming them as if they were Les Miles.
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#60
this thread is stupid. chaney's play calling is fine. he doesn't have the players to make the plays
 
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volguess06 said:
Everybody says "You cant really blame Wilcox, look what he has to work with." doesnt the same thing apply to chaney? Terrible post
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It's different because it's not like Wilcox is calling terrible plays all the time. Usually its the players missing tackles, laying off the receiver, or covering the wrong person instead of bad plays being called. When you abandon the run game, have long developing routes in short yard situations, or call 2 straight long bombs when bray first comes in, then it is bad play calling not just the players
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lbrjohn3 said:
It's different because it's not like Wilcox is calling terrible plays all the time. Usually its the players missing tackles, laying off the receiver, or covering the wrong person instead of bad plays being called. When you abandon the run game, have long developing routes in short yard situations, or call 2 straight long bombs when bray first comes in, then it is bad play calling not just the players
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I was under the impression that our offense sputtered at best in short yardage play calling due to a lack of size on the line and youth which creates inconsistency, and thus shots are taken down the field for necessary scoring purposes.

I don't have a problem going for the big play. If you can't do things small you might as well take shots. For what it's worth most of the UT's points against credible competition this season have come as the result of a 20+ yard play (this discounting the Oregon touchdown which came from a long pass play to the 1).

In all honesty, yes a lot of the calls Chaney makes are because he does not have the personnel to make better calls. If you liked Kiffin's calling last year, cool, for the most part I did, too. Kiffin also had a completely veteran offensive line, a 2nd year starting quarterback that was accurate enough to throw over the middle with an NFL arm, and a 2nd round draft pick at running back. Major differences.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
suggestions?

I through out Chris Klenakis' name last night (formerly at Nevada, currently at Arkansas).

Bottom line, Chaney's play calling has been a problem all year.

The players are having trouble just getting into the right formations without having illegal motion penalties, or too many men in the back field.

There is a reason why Kiffin didn't want to take him out west last year, and its become perfectly obvious.

He skated by on Joe Tiller's shirt tails for years at Purdue.. fortunate enough to have a future NFL hall of famer at QB in Drew Brees, and another good one in Kyle Orton.

When it went sour in West Lafayette, he took off to the Rams to coach OL, and I think anyone who followed the NFL the last half dozen years could tell you how well that worked out. Marc Bulger was one of most sacked QBs in the history of the NFL. I'm sure he'd be willing to testify. The Rams offense was one of, if not the, worst in the league for multiple seasons.

We have a young innovative D Coordinator in Wilcox that at least has shown that he can make adjustments during games.

Its time to bring in new blood so that we have the equivalent on offense going forward so that when 2012 gets here our offense will be in rhythm... rather than suffering through another disastrous offensive season and then trying to fix it is Spring 2012 when the team should be by all accounts, much more talented.

After this season, take our medicine and bring in a new offensive system. Learn it all through spring, practice next fall during what will undoubtedly be another rebuilding season. And then have another spring in 2012 to perfect it. By fall 2012 it will be ready to rock.

So who are some good offensive coordinator prospects?
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haha what game are you watching saying Wilcox makes adjustments at halftime? did you not see Julio Jones light us up, and our secondary do NOTHING to stop him or take him out of the game... double him and make someone else beat you. As for a switch at OC I wouldn't hate it, why we have designed quarterback keepers or running plays in general that feature Matt Sims baffles me. That is absolutely absurd.
 
#66
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
suggestions?

I through out Chris Klenakis' name last night (formerly at Nevada, currently at Arkansas).

Bottom line, Chaney's play calling has been a problem all year.

The players are having trouble just getting into the right formations without having illegal motion penalties, or too many men in the back field.

There is a reason why Kiffin didn't want to take him out west last year, and its become perfectly obvious.

He skated by on Joe Tiller's shirt tails for years at Purdue.. fortunate enough to have a future NFL hall of famer at QB in Drew Brees, and another good one in Kyle Orton.

When it went sour in West Lafayette, he took off to the Rams to coach OL, and I think anyone who followed the NFL the last half dozen years could tell you how well that worked out. Marc Bulger was one of most sacked QBs in the history of the NFL. I'm sure he'd be willing to testify. The Rams offense was one of, if not the, worst in the league for multiple seasons.

We have a young innovative D Coordinator in Wilcox that at least has shown that he can make adjustments during games.

Its time to bring in new blood so that we have the equivalent on offense going forward so that when 2012 gets here our offense will be in rhythm... rather than suffering through another disastrous offensive season and then trying to fix it is Spring 2012 when the team should be by all accounts, much more talented.

After this season, take our medicine and bring in a new offensive system. Learn it all through spring, practice next fall during what will undoubtedly be another rebuilding season. And then have another spring in 2012 to perfect it. By fall 2012 it will be ready to rock.

So who are some good offensive coordinator prospects?
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FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL :finger3::finger3:
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
suggestions?

I through out Chris Klenakis' name last night (formerly at Nevada, currently at Arkansas).

Bottom line, Chaney's play calling has been a problem all year.

The players are having trouble just getting into the right formations without having illegal motion penalties, or too many men in the back field.

There is a reason why Kiffin didn't want to take him out west last year, and its become perfectly obvious.

He skated by on Joe Tiller's shirt tails for years at Purdue.. fortunate enough to have a future NFL hall of famer at QB in Drew Brees, and another good one in Kyle Orton.

When it went sour in West Lafayette, he took off to the Rams to coach OL, and I think anyone who followed the NFL the last half dozen years could tell you how well that worked out. Marc Bulger was one of most sacked QBs in the history of the NFL. I'm sure he'd be willing to testify. The Rams offense was one of, if not the, worst in the league for multiple seasons.

We have a young innovative D Coordinator in Wilcox that at least has shown that he can make adjustments during games.

Its time to bring in new blood so that we have the equivalent on offense going forward so that when 2012 gets here our offense will be in rhythm... rather than suffering through another disastrous offensive season and then trying to fix it is Spring 2012 when the team should be by all accounts, much more talented.

After this season, take our medicine and bring in a new offensive system. Learn it all through spring, practice next fall during what will undoubtedly be another rebuilding season. And then have another spring in 2012 to perfect it. By fall 2012 it will be ready to rock.

So who are some good offensive coordinator prospects?
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He will be staying. No one wants a one year job. Sad.
 
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I think he has made some questionable play calling. But nobody ever calls a perfect game. But in the end you have to give him a chance to prove what he can actually do with a full and talented roster. Its like somebody driving a Ford Focus in a Nascar race and then claiming that he is not a capable driver because he finishes last. Seriously, his job of calling plays with our current roster situation is ridiculously difficult.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
I certainly wouldn't be opposed to it, but I don't think it would work for two reasons: Auburn could match whatever we offer and He is likely going to get a head coaching opportunity this offseason.
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he will be a head coach somewhere next year, you can bank on that!!!!
 
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peddi631 said:
Chaney is not the problem as anyone with a football eye can see. We need players.
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This...I would argue that the offense has been better than expected, except for the dropped passes, the off target passes, sacks, etc. it's hard to pin all that on chaney.
 
#71
#71
Calling for a new OC is just dumb. Chaney is not the problem. Wake up and look at the situation the program is in.
 
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I do not think we need a new OC or DC but they do need to see that we have played with the top tier teams for a half and then for whatever reason we can not adjust at the half to stay in the game...We do not have talent or depth and the coaches know that, so what is the one way you shorten the game to stay in it?...You run...Why is it we continue week in and week out stop running in the second have especially in the first drive after the half?...Has not worked all year and then the snowball gets rolling because Simms can not play from behind because he tries to make the throws he can't and gets picked off...Wilcox does not seem to me that he can do the same things he did in the WAC because this is the SEC and football is different here...He has to learn to adjust as well...I am sorry but I just feel like we start games with a great gameplan and keep it close then at half throw it away and that is coaching.
 
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G0V0LS33 said:
I do not think we need a new OC or DC but they do need to see that we have played with the top tier teams for a half and then for whatever reason we can not adjust at the half to stay in the game...We do not have talent or depth and the coaches know that, so what is the one way you shorten the game to stay in it?...You run...Why is it we continue week in and week out stop running in the second have especially in the first drive after the half?...
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What game were you watching?
There were 30 rushing plays.
!2 in the first half and 18 in the second.
Compare that to Bama who ran 34 times.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
suggestions?


Bottom line, Chaney's play calling has been a problem all year.
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that is as far as I read your post. Play calling is a PROBLEM when you have the youth, inexperience and lack of talent this team has in the OFFENSIVE LINE.

ANY OC would be hamstrung on what they can call.

You get offensive line busts frequently on experienced offensive lines. At leasrt one player busts every other play. But with a line like Tennessee's, you are getting multiple busts on almsot every single play.

Play calling is limited by what the OL knows and can execute. They show that in practice reps. The OC ends up with a very limited play book for a game because of what they know.

Then throw in WR's who don't know many plays and RBs who are poor at protection due to ineperience.

There is really few options available for calling plays.

Oh, forgot, players keep getting injured bringing in less and less options
 
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