New OC candidate surfaces for OC...........

#26
#26
mswayne said:
I don't want Cignetti. I don't know whats so great about him, but the 49ers offense, and Alex Smith (hurt or not) havn't been that much to smile about.
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Cignetti is not the OC for the 49er's ...he's the QB coach and wasn't responsible for play calling during the past year. I agree the the offense wasn't too pretty but I don't think it's fair to pin it all on him.
 
#27
#27
I'm not whining. All I know about the guy is he's the QB coach in SANFRAN and their QBs havn't been up to snuff. Thats all I know about him sorry I havn't seen his resume.
 
#28
#28
mswayne said:
I'm not whining. All I know about the guy is he's the QB coach in SANFRAN and their QBs havn't been up to snuff. Thats all I know about him sorry I havn't seen his resume.
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if the best qb an nfl team could get you was Alex Smith your current credentials wouldn't look so hot either.
 
#29
#29
mswayne said:
I'm not whining. All I know about the guy is he's the QB coach in SANFRAN and their QBs havn't been up to snuff. Thats all I know about him sorry I havn't seen his resume.
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Plus Peyton and Archie gave him the big thumbs up.:thumbsup:
 
#30
#30
mswayne said:
I'm not whining. All I know about the guy is he's the QB coach in SANFRAN and their QBs havn't been up to snuff. Thats all I know about him sorry I havn't seen his resume.
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Have you read anything about cignetti or are you just taking a shot in the dark with this 49er thing..... because there are more than 4 posts on this web site in the different forums that show links which reveal he would be a good choice for UT and would be a good fit.
 
#31
#31
If Bill Belicheck had a 1st Pick that was a bust, and no recievers at all I'd doubt they'd be good either.
 
#32
#32
mswayne said:
I'm not whining. All I know about the guy is he's the QB coach in SANFRAN and their QBs havn't been up to snuff. Thats all I know about him sorry I havn't seen his resume.
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He's been in SF for a year... the problems didn't originate with him. There are reportedly issues between Smith and the HC... and Smith has been injured forcing them to play 4 different QB's this season.

Whether he can coach or not... one messed up year in SF isn't what he should be evaluated on.

I hope some of the discouraging reports are wrong. This is the one guy I got excited over.
 
#33
#33
Smith was improved this year under him. If not injured San Fran may have even made playoff run. I dunno if Smith's improvement is do to Cignetti but he was the new QB coach,
 
#34
#34
Jewbaccah said:
Smith was improved this year under him. If not injured San Fran may have even made playoff run. I dunno if Smith's improvement is do to Cignetti but he was the new QB coach,
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No Smith wasn't. Smith clearly took a step back from last year. In fairness, Smith may not have been able to overcome the horrendous offense the Niners were trying to run, but I am a huge Niners fan and can tell you with absolute certainty that Smith in no way improved
 
#35
#35
In the three games prior to his injury Smith threw only one interception. He had a good rating and they were 2-1. He threw the pick in the loss because they had to throw to stay in game and were an unbalanced offense. Smith is not NFL QB material and if Cignetti was the cause of Smith improvement for those three games he is good at what he does. If you are referring to Smith's numbers when he game back with a separated shoulder that needs surgery well go vote for Obama.
 
#36
#36
Jewbaccah said:
In the three games prior to his injury Smith threw only one interception. He had a good rating and they were 2-1. He threw the pick in the loss because they had to throw to stay in game and were an unbalanced offense. Smith is not NFL QB material and if Cignetti was the cause of Smith improvement for those three games he is good at what he does. If you are referring to Smith's numbers when he game back with a separated shoulder that needs surgery well go vote for Obama.
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maybe you should read the stats again.

Alex Smith: Game Logs

so what about a 59.3 rating against Arizona is good?

I should have left my original post alone. Don't argue with me on this, I doubt anyone on this board has payed more attention to 49er football this year than I have. Simply put, Jewbaccah, you are wrong.

also, since when are interceptions the only measure for a quarterback.

and if the best you can come up with is "go vote for Obama" I must assume you are not nearly intelligent enough to argue with anymore
 
#39
#39
Jewbaccah said:
In the three games prior to his injury Smith threw only one interception. He had a good rating and they were 2-1. He threw the pick in the loss because they had to throw to stay in game and were an unbalanced offense. Smith is not NFL QB material and if Cignetti was the cause of Smith improvement for those three games he is good at what he does. If you are referring to Smith's numbers when he game back with a separated shoulder that needs surgery well go vote for Obama.
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Does this mean that every QB that has a few good games when they are otherwise mediocre means they have a good QB coach behind them worth hiring?

If so, that's absurd.
 
#40
#40
I call a W good and no interceptions good. He understood the player he had and put cuffs on him. If you watched some of those games he had Smith throwing the ball away instead of forcing it. Smith Averaged one interception a game the year before not taking into account he was benched for periods the previous year.
 
#41
#41
Fine, that's your opinion. I see no reason to bring who I am voting for into a conversation about NFL quarterbacks.

Besides, Shaun Hill would be a much better example for Cignetti's abilities as a QB coach.
 
#42
#42
Jewbaccah said:
I call a W good and no interceptions good. He understood the player he had and put cuffs on him. If you watched some of those games he had Smith throwing the ball away instead of forcing it. Smith Averaged one interception a game the year before not taking into account he was benched for periods the previous year.
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You are dodging the question. You stated he is a good QB coach b/c Alex Smith had 3 "good" games in the midst of a terrible career.

All I want to know is, do you think 3 good games qualify him as being a "good" coach? B/c if so, our candidate list just tripled, at least.
 
#43
#43
GoVols817 said:
Does this mean that every QB that has a few good games when they are otherwise mediocre means they have a good QB coach behind them worth hiring?

If so, that's absurd.
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No but Cignetti has other credentials that say what he was doing in SF is part of a pattern of success. I think Fulmer likes him because he adapts to his situation and the talent he has. I am assuming though that Cignetti is the one that indoctrinated Smith to through the ball away. Smith is like I said not NFL material and never will be.
 
#45
#45
GoVols817 said:
You are dodging the question. You stated he is a good QB coach b/c Alex Smith had 3 "good" games in the midst of a terrible career.

All I want to know is, do you think 3 good games qualify him as being a "good" coach? B/c if so, our candidate list just tripled, at least.
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I have to think and then type answers. Sorry, I had you waiting in suspense.
 
#46
#46
Jewbaccah said:
No but Cignetti has other credentials that say what he was doing in SF is part of a pattern of success. I think Fulmer likes him because he adapts to his situation and the talent he has. I am assuming though that Cignetti is the one that indoctrinated Smith to through the ball away. Smith is like I said not NFL material and never will be.
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Pattern of success?

Mediocre offense in SF.
Mediocre offense at UNC.
Barely better than average in the WAC at FSU.

That's a pattern alright.
 
#47
#47
I have to say I have come around somewhat on Cignetti, mostly because of what I saw out of Shaun Hill, it certainly had nothing to do with Alex Smith. I should say that he is still not my first choice.
 
#49
#49
GoVols817 said:
Pattern of success?

Mediocre offense in SF.
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There for one season. Did not create the malaise SF is in. He does not call plays and does not control offensive philosophy. In two years HE DID turn the QB around in New Orleans.
Mediocre offense at UNC.
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There for one year and by most accounts made a positive impact before the HC was terminated. Again, might have been part of the solution but in no way was responsible for the problem.
Barely better than average in the WAC at FSU.
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There for 4 years. Did not inherit a great offense. The last two years FSU was in the top 10 in the country. They were one of only 6 teams in the history of college football to score 50+ in 4 consecutive games. Hung 42 points on a USC team that prior to playing Texas was being touted as the best college football team EVER. That was the most points USC allowed that year. Texas scored 41 and there's no arguing that Texas' O got more help from their D.

Next highest was ND (31) in the Bush-push game.

That's a pattern alright.
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He has the right philosophy and when given a little time has been successful. He's very aggressive both in his approach to coaching and playcalling.

I don't know if he's the right guy or not... but it does seem to me that you make a habit of speaking without opinions that are supported by fact.
 
#50
#50
GoVols817 said:
Pattern of success?

Mediocre offense in SF.
Mediocre offense at UNC.
Barely better than average in the WAC at FSU.

That's a pattern alright.
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Ok, I thought you knew some football. He was in the top ten in offense in all of football twice and the two years were not bad either. He developed Brooks in NO. His worst resume stat is the year in NC. And he was not there long enough, nor did he have talent to make much out of that, he has done a good job in SF in IMO. I cannot believe you made the Fresno comment are you just unaware?
 
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