New Hire An Upgrade Or Starting over?

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#76
VolunteerHillbilly said:
It took Pearl and his accomplishments to make me even watch UTK basketball. I wasn't in from Day 1 because I didn't even consider it worth my time to watch but Pearl got my attention pretty quickly. Pre-Pearl, I honestly cannot remember watching a UTK basketball game since Alan Houston was on the court. After 2 seasons of Cuonzo, I was already down to watching only the marquee matchups. Hiring Coach White won't flip the switch for me but if he can do what Pearl did then I'll probably slowly regain some interest. If Hart could do for us what he supposedly did for FSU and Bama in the hiring department then I'd be more likely to regain some interest.
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There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual fan. I think more fit into that category than they'd admit. I guess my point is that I'm not sure there are very many realistic guys period that will move the needle enough for you to care.
 
#77
#77
Tux said:
This hire was a safe hire by Dave Hart, but it is not coming as cheap as he had hoped to because White has demanded a higher buyout in order to agree to the deal.
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Given what happened with CCM, anyone who considers the UT job will demand the security of an inordinately high buyout to keep the boosters off his back.

I know that I've posted this sentiment many times, but UT has a booster problem. It is very difficult for most people to have to constantly "stroke" these guys without bristling at the thought of it.

Coach Jones is unique, in that he is obviously natured to handle it. People like him are few and far between.

Anyone else would need something in their contract that gives these boosters "pause" when they think of pressuring the AD to show a coach the door.

A $3 million buyout ought to do the trick... :)
 
#78
#78
TommyOler said:
Given what happened with CCM, anyone who considers the UT job will demand the security of an inordinately high buyout to keep the boosters off his back.
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And this is why people said it wouldn't be a good look to run off a coach who just made the Sweet 16 in his 3rd year.

White gets to look at what is a similar spot to what Zo walked into, possibly worse roster, and say you wanna give me 3 years too and be able to run me outta town? I don't think so.

I'll wait one more year, coach at LT where I've got no pressure, and then take a job next year that has similar expectations as Tennessee. The difference? They'll pay me well, but more importantly give me 4-5 years to get things right before throwing in the towel.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
And this is why people said it wouldn't be a good look to run off a coach who just made the Sweet 16 in his 3rd year.

White gets to look at what is a similar spot to what Zo walked into, possibly worse roster, and say you wanna give me 3 years too and be able to run me outta town? I don't think so.

I'll wait one more year, coach at LT where I've got no pressure, and then take a job next year that has similar expectations as Tennessee. The difference? They'll pay me well, but more importantly give me 4-5 years to get things right before throwing in the towel.
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Hart seems to be willing to more than double is current salary. Maybe Hart is trying to protect UT from getting burned with a large buyout in year 4-5 as has happened here in the past. With UT willing to pay the man a quality salary up front, I would think White(if he were confident he could do the job), would know that Hart would quickly negotiate a better deal when the product on the court warranted it. Zo still had time on his deal and Hart was giving him more money after 3 under performing years. If I'm a confident young coach, I trust in my abilities and the buyout in year 4-5 would not matter much because I would have already signed my new 5 year extension in year 3 with a healthy pay increase.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Hart seems to be willing to more than double is current salary. Maybe Hart is trying to protect UT from getting burned with a large buyout in year 4-5 as has happened here in the past. With UT willing to pay the man a quality salary up front, I would think White(if he were confident he could do the job), would know that Hart would quickly negotiate a better deal when the product on the court warranted it. Zo still had time on his deal and Hart was giving him more money after 3 under performing years. If I'm a confident young coach, I trust in my abilities and the buyout in year 4-5 would not matter much because I would have already signed my new 5 year extension in year 3 with a healthy pay increase.
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Shouldn't Hart trust in his abilities to identify a coach that is gonna succeed and he want have to fire in year 3?
 
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#82
#82
VOL FANS are to blame for the decline if there is one (aka starting over) Im sure most of those fans or the Boo birds will try to blame anyone and everyone for the coaching hire, but the fact is u ran a coach out of town that went to the sweetsixteen...for the coach that put u in this situation, CBP was fun but HE IS THE ONE AND ONLY to blame for the last 3 years...AND YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME for the hire.


And CCM got the last word...UT is starting over again.
 
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#83
bleedingTNorange said:
Shouldn't Hart trust in his abilities to identify a coach that is gonna succeed and he want have to fire in year 3?
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I am quite sure Hart is offering a buyout in year 4-5 as part of his offer to White. It seems White wants that # to be a lot higher. As somewhat of an unproven coach and only having been a HC for 3 years total, how much should Hart bend?

White current salary 500 grand/YR. 3 years is 1.5 million.

UT offers say 1.3 a YR and pays his current 600 grand buyout. At 3 years UT already has at least 4.5 million bucks in the game.

IMO Hart is taking all the risk. If White can't do the job and is let go after year 3, he walks with maybe what a 1-1.5 million buyout? Now your at 6 million dollars for a coach who was set up to make 1.5 at his previous employer. If Hart wants to draw a line in the sand, I can understand it. He is playing with UTs future here.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I am quite sure Hart is offering a buyout in year 4-5 as part of his offer to White. It seems White wants that # to be a lot higher. As somewhat of an unproven coach and only having been a HC for 3 years total, how much should Hart bend?

White current salary 500 grand/YR. 3 years is 1.5 million.

UT offers say 1.3 a YR and pays his current 600 grand buyout. At 3 years UT already has at least 4.5 million bucks in the game.

IMO Hart is taking all the risk. If White can't do the job and is let go after year 3, he walks with maybe what a 1-1.5 million buyout? Now your at 6 million dollars for a coach who was set up to make 1.5 at his previous employer. If Hart wants to draw a line in the sand, I can understand it. He is playing with UTs future here.
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I doubt you're gonna get Tyndall for much cheaper. If Hart's gonna be such a cheap ass just hire Byrd.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
I could very well come down to one coach is fine with the 4th-5th year buyout and one is not. If it's a matter of a million dollars either way, that's a lot of skin.
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But if you have to pay that coach $200k/yr over 5 years it amounts to the same.

And like I've already said, if Hart knows Tyndall will come for half the buyout and same salary, he's dumber than I thought for sticking on White for 96 hours.
 
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#87
#87
I'm a big fan of UT basketball, but this isn't Kentucky/Duke/North Carolina/Kansas/etc.. Hart will cement his legacy with football, not basketball.
 
#88
#88
If he is hired then he will have my full support just as Cuonzo had and Bruce before that. There were times that I was critical of Cuonzo, but that's just because I'm a die hard fan. He always had my support though and I certainly didn't support that stupid petition.
 
#89
#89
The AD needs to look at the revenue when Pearl had that thing ticking. Even with Pat's success, the women's program is break even, and she would never have benefitted from playing in TBA or getting Pratt if it wasn't for men's bball and Pearl. Period, end of story. The fact is that UT bball can MAKE big money, if the right person is hired.
Unlike many SEC schools, UT fans WILL support men's bball. Auburn just built a nice new arena, and max capacity is 9,121. Why? Because that is the maximum fan interest. They literally lease the damn thing out for wedding receptions. No kidding.
UT averages twice of their capacity. Which means a lot more revenue potential.

If Hart can't figure this out, then he needs help. CCM may be a great guy but UT should have hired him an expert marketing talent. This is a different era and a coach needs to be able to market himself and his brand.
 
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#90
#90
The UTAD may invest in facilities, but it has traditional refused to invest in the people who make or break the basketball program. History is repeating itself in this circus train wreck that the UTAD is running.
 
#91
#91
GAVol said:
There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a casual fan. I think more fit into that category than they'd admit. I guess my point is that I'm not sure there are very many realistic guys period that will move the needle enough for you to care.
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Merely reading this site, no less posting on it, makes one More than a "casual fan." Most people have no idea what is going on with recruiting or a coach search. I sympathize with the previous poster. Although I attend and watch more games than he claims, I, as well as others, would like to encouraged with a "proven" hire at any coach. Spend the money on Marshall on a "big fish."

I don't understand why other SEC teams are spending more money than UT on coaches. Auburn spent what it took to get Pearl and Malzahn. Vanderbilt was paying Franklin a lot more than UT has ever paid a football coach per year. Of course, Saban is paid two and half times our football coach.
 
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#92
#92
rocketskates said:
If he is hired then he will have my full support just as Cuonzo had and Bruce before that. There were times that I was critical of Cuonzo, but that's just because I'm a die hard fan. He always had my support though and I certainly didn't support that stupid petition.
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The right approach.
 
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