New Hire An Upgrade Or Starting over?

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volfanngaytorland said:
Has White shown he can recruit better than Cuonzo? If so, where?
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If you look at Cuonzo's recruiting prior to TN and compare it to White's at La Tech, I think White has recruited better. Cuonzo got Hubbs and Stokes, and Richardson, though he wasn't highly rated, but other than that I think the recruiting has been average. White's ability to recruit better than Cuonzo at TN is speculation on my part and JMO.
 
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Tux said:
We don't exactly what we got in Butch other than he is a very good recruiter. He has not proven himself on the field yet, but hopefully he will give us what we want.

I could care less about women's basketball. I don't follow it.

We won tons of championships during Bradshaw's years as a Vol right?

I saw Lofton play in a high school all-star game and was elated he was going to be a Vol.
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Exactly how much less could you care about women's basketball? A tiny bit less? A whole bunch less? On a scale of 1 to 10, the amount you are able to care less about women's basketball would be ... what?
 
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The man hasn't recruited anyone to UT yet but somehow he's the better recruiter. Never been to the Dance but somehow his IQ is better. Anything to justify this hire as an upgrade.
 
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volfanhill said:
Wasn't allowed to run his offense by CPF
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This is the only coach I can remember UT hiring that should have said, "If they are going to run you if we don't win THIS year, no thanks, appreciate the offer but it takes two years to transition to what I like to do."

I think some of his ideas are interesting. That was a bad miscalculation on Fulmer's part, significantly worse than Dooley/Sunseri imo.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If you look at Cuonzo's recruiting prior to TN and compare it to White's at La Tech, I think White has recruited better. Cuonzo got Hubbs and Stokes, and Richardson, though he wasn't highly rated, but other than that I think the recruiting has been average. White's ability to recruit better than Cuonzo at TN is speculation on my part and JMO.
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Gotcha. Wasn't bashing just thought I saw somewhere that LA Tech's recruiting classes were in the high 100's, close to 200 in his time there. Wanted to know if I was missing something.

I did learn that he was recruiting coordinator at OM when they were bringing in good classes. Not sure if that will translate to UT, but I sure hope so.
 
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darkgable said:
The man hasn't recruited anyone to UT yet but somehow he's the better recruiter. Never been to the Dance but somehow his IQ is better. Anything to justify this hire as an upgrade.
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Seriously? So you have to have a high iq to be in the tournament? Have you ever seen him coach or know what he did with some of ole miss players? Sounds like your butthurt and uniformed but its your opinion so whatever....
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
Has White shown he can recruit better than Cuonzo? If so, where?
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Actually this years class for La Tech doesn't look much different than Zo's classes here outside of Stokes and Hubbs.

He has commits from 3 3 stars, a 2 star and an unranked per rivals for 2014. Which isn't too bad for Louisiana Tech. He signed 5 3 stars in 4 years. Tech had signed 7 3 stars in the prior 8 seasons.

The best thing is, his guys play. La Tech's leading scorer is a 3 star sophomore guard that Auburn offered.

His top recruit this year is a 6'10 kid that Gregg Marshall offered at Wichita State.

He was doing well for the level of school La Tech is in the basketball world. They've not even been to the NCAA tournament in 23 years. White got them as close as they've been. He also got them in the top 25 for the first time in 28 years.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Actually this years class for La Tech doesn't look much different than Zo's classes here outside of Stokes and Hubbs.
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Well I mean yea, if you take out the 5 stars that makes the recruiting classes look a little different lol
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The hoops fanatics will pump up the new hire as the second coming no matter who it is. If it's white, most of us will yawn, make a gratuitous statement or two about how UTK can't get a big name for anydamthing, and go back to ignoring basketball for the next few years.
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NegaVol
 
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darkgable said:
The man hasn't recruited anyone to UT yet but somehow he's the better recruiter. Never been to the Dance but somehow his IQ is better. Anything to justify this hire as an upgrade.
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Well, we know for sure that Martin can coach Elite 8 talent almost out of the tournament and recruit at a mid major level so I am for rolling the dice that White is an upgrade.

Proven mediocrity loses out to the next big thing every time in college athletics.

"You never stay the same. You either get better or you get worse".

We sure as hell weren't getting better under Martin as the tourney run was an aberration and unlikely to be repeated given the attrition of the roster.
 
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Mike white would be an exceptional hire. Look at his resume. Look at his record at la tech. 28 wins is 28 wins either way u look at it. He has the look of a basketball coach and he likes to run and gun. We will be lucky if he chooses us
 
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I am furious that Dave Hart refuses to use a search committee for this (or any other hire). What makes him think that he is so much smarter than everybody else. There are chamber of commerces, rotary clubs, heck, even golf courses where BUSINESS IS DONE. Search Firms are (or at least committees) are part of gathering a variety of respected opinions and making an informed decision. I cannot for the life of me understand the arrogance of Mr. Hart that he is doing this by himself without a firm or a committee.

It reflects poorly on the university that we are not doing it "the way everybody else does". Does he REALLY think that he has all the questions, much less the answers?? Please, for the love of mary, get some help from some basketball people before pulling the trigger.
 
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White's team beat Georgia in the NIT tourney 79-71. I understand it is probably hard to recruit to La.Tech but he beat a SEC school with his talent.
 
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I'm not against the hire if it happens, and this may turn out to be a sweet upgrade. But, the resumes are similar.

Martin took over what was about a .500 team the prior year and went 11-20 in 2009, though I don't know anything about the roster turnover. Martin then progressed to 7th in the MVC with a CIT Championship in 2010 before breaking out in 2011 with a conference title and NIT appearance.

White took over a team that went 12-20 the prior year and finished a little above .500 in 2011. He then shared the C-USA title in each of the next two years with a pair of NIT appearances.

White's resume is a little better on just the numbers, as he seems to have turned his program around a little faster. But, that's by looking at W-L and nothing else.
 
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rickyyrs said:
White's team beat Georgia in the NIT tourney 79-71. I understand it is probably hard to recruit to La.Tech but he beat a SEC school with his talent.
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An SEC team that finished the regular season 3rd and ahead of the Vols!
 
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GAVol said:
Is that what you did when we fired Buzz Peterson and hired Bruce Pearl on the cheap?
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It took Pearl and his accomplishments to make me even watch UTK basketball. I wasn't in from Day 1 because I didn't even consider it worth my time to watch but Pearl got my attention pretty quickly. Pre-Pearl, I honestly cannot remember watching a UTK basketball game since Alan Houston was on the court. After 2 seasons of Cuonzo, I was already down to watching only the marquee matchups. Hiring Coach White won't flip the switch for me but if he can do what Pearl did then I'll probably slowly regain some interest. If Hart could do for us what he supposedly did for FSU and Bama in the hiring department then I'd be more likely to regain some interest.
 
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I know nothing about the guy except his ties to ol miss.. But two things 1 when was the last time a major school high a football n bb coach from the same school n what does that say about the school that hired them? I would never hire two ceo's from the same company if the first one suxed.

2. Who has he recruited? I keep hearing he can recruit but ol miss hasn't been great. Just a question.
 
#75
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Whoever the hire is, he's likely going to be able to offer immediate playing time to his first recruiting class.
 
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