New Hire An Upgrade Or Starting over?

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SeniorDrill said:
From a Delta newspaper. Sort of an odd place to be if he is the new guy!
"White, who is on vacation with his family, has stayed out of the public eye since the Tennessee job opened up Tuesday."
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Where you think he "be"? :confused:

Weirder conspiracy theory IMO :glare:
 
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Insunseri said:
He wins. It just has to translate over to the next level.
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Didn't Dave Clawson win at Richmond? How did that translate in to our offense in 2008?

Hell, it got Fulmer, Chavis, Brooks, etc. all fired......

Kelvin Sampson wins at Oklahoma & Indiana but I would not want him.

Mike Leach won at Texas Tech, but I would not want him.
 
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I think we were going to be in rebuilding mode next season whether it was Zo, White or even Coach K. I was against the stupid petition, but one area where criticism is warranted concerning Zo is the failure to build the roster through his own recruiting. I think it is obvious that he knew this team was going to struggle going forward and he would not survive it. That is why he ran away to the first opportunity.
 
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Tux said:
If Mike White is hired as the new coach, I will accept it and move on. He was not my first choice, nor was he in my top 7-8 picks.

I have read some fans say that this is an upgrade over Martin> I did not sign the petition and I did not argue that Martin was the "cat's meow" of coaches.

That being said, this new hire is not an upgrade. It is starting the program all over. White is very young, has not been a head coach at this level, and has a lot of work to do on the recruiting trail.

Continuity was lost and UT has gone back to the starting line to get back into the race for basketball dominance. Some may feel good about where we are at. I'm indifferent. I believe we could have made a hire that kept our place in the SEC pecking order and in a position to not lose ground.

This hire was a safe hire by Dave Hart, but it is not coming as cheap as he had hoped to because White has demanded a higher buyout in order to agree to the deal. Hart had the opportunity to cement his legacy at UT with a big fish hire, but chose to go a safer and cheaper route. In the process the program will lose ground for hopefully just a short period of time, while our coach gets his feet wet and is able to prove himself to prospects who know nothing of hi or if he will be successful at UT.

What do you think?
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So since you strongly believe that basketball creates more revenue than football does at UT why do you think we aren't dumping much money into this hire? Just curious to hear your dumb logic
 
#31
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The hoops fanatics will pump up the new hire as the second coming no matter who it is. If it's white, most of us will yawn, make a gratuitous statement or two about how UTK can't get a big name for anydamthing, and go back to ignoring basketball for the next few years.
 
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1985Vols said:
Sounds like he may be more personable energetic and outgoing which is what CCM lacked and one reason the fans never embraced him as much. Who knows about his coaching, has only been a HC for 3 years so verdict is still out, however, pretty solid results in those 3'years. You want find a better person than CCM, however, sometimes nice guys finish last. I bet Mike White will continue to recruit players that are committed to other schools, which is one thing CCM would not do and I really think this hurt his recruiting.
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Martin lost some games that he had no business losing. Austin Peay comes to mind. All the close games that we couldn't find a way to win at the end comes to mind.

However; (1) Martin is a respectable man

(2) His players didn't get in trouble on campus " Golden is the exception"

3) He recruited fairly well. He was in on Austin Nichols until the end.

(4) His players graduate.

(5) Martin didn't embarrass the university.

(6) He took the team exactly where we all thought the 2013 teams should end up, which is in the Sweet 16. Yes, he got to the Sweet 16 from the back door, but he still got us there.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The hoops fanatics will pump up the new hire as the second coming no matter who it is. If it's white, most of us will yawn, make a gratuitous statement or two about how UTK can't get a big name for anydamthing, and go back to ignoring basketball for the next few years.
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Is that what you did when we fired Buzz Peterson and hired Bruce Pearl on the cheap?
 
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Rudy123 said:
Was bUTch your choice or your 7th or 8th choice?

Would a 22 yr. old Pat Summit be your choice as the head coach of the Lady Vols?

Would you have wasted a recruiting slot on Dane Bradshaw, who is slow and can't jump and played in a lower level high school conference? Buzz has no idea what he is doing. He is in over his head. This is not Tulsa!!



Would you have wasted a recruiting slot on Lofton? Hell, he was the Kentucky player of the year, but even Kentucky and Louisville didn't want him. He played in a smaller league of competition in Mayfield Kentucky. Buzz has no idea what he is doing. Can't he recruit better than that?


I am glad that we passed on Patric Willis. He is over rated and has played in small town competition. Why waste a scholarship on him, when Fulmer can get Brooks, who is the next Al Wilson....
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We don't exactly what we got in Butch other than he is a very good recruiter. He has not proven himself on the field yet, but hopefully he will give us what we want.

I could care less about women's basketball. I don't follow it.

We won tons of championships during Bradshaw's years as a Vol right?

I saw Lofton play in a high school all-star game and was elated he was going to be a Vol.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
would you expect a coach at La tech to recruit as well as the head coach at UT?
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As a recruiting coordinator at Ole Miss I believe it was reported that he pulled in 3 top 25 classes in a row.

I read this somewhere, can't remember so I maybe wrong.

IMO, I think he can recruit and knows the South and he does know the SEC level. I think he will be looking for a certain thoroughbred of player.

Do I think he could draw that type of player to LA Tech, No, but to UT and the SEC yes absolutely. He will want to go deep to the bench so I will see him a 9 deep type of coach.

It will be interesting to see what how he uses what we got here already and who will depart.

I would have loved to have seen Stokes in this type of environment as a player.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The hoops fanatics will pump up the new hire as the second coming no matter who it is. If it's white, most of us will yawn, make a gratuitous statement or two about how UTK can't get a big name for anydamthing, and go back to ignoring basketball for the next few years.
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The rest of us will be with our 15-20k fellow fans in TBA or watching at home in big enough numbers to make Knoxville one of ESPN's 10 highest rated CBB tv markets.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
The hoops fanatics will pump up the new hire as the second coming no matter who it is. If it's white, most of us will yawn, make a gratuitous statement or two about how UTK can't get a big name for anydamthing, and go back to ignoring basketball for the next few years.
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You shouldn't even comment based on the several posts you have made about caring only about pearl and only rooting for ut football.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
As a recruiting coordinator at Ole Miss I believe it was reported that he pulled in 3 top 25 classes in a row.

I read this somewhere, can't remember so I maybe wrong.

IMO, I think he can recruit and knows the South and he does know the SEC level. I think he will be looking for a certain thoroughbred of player.

Do I think he could draw that type of player to LA Tech, No, but to UT and the SEC yes absolutely. He will want to go deep to the bench so I will see him a 9 deep type of coach.

It will be interesting to see what how he uses what we got here already and who will depart.

I would have loved to have seen Stokes in this type of environment as a player.
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well, I don't expect the next coach to miss on 7+ recruits in 3 yrs on one hand. That said, I'd take White everytime of course if we look at next years roster. It has a chance to not be as bad with a coach who knows how to use his players before the direst of circumstance. White will adjust to his athletes and let his kids play ball, which would be a great change.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Martin lost some games that he had no business losing. Austin Peay comes to mind. All the close games that we couldn't find a way to win at the end comes to mind.

However; (1) Martin is a respectable man

(2) His players didn't get in trouble on campus " Golden is the exception"

3) He recruited fairly well. He was in on Austin Nichols until the end.

(4) His players graduate.

(5) Martin didn't embarrass the university.

(6) He took the team exactly where we all thought the 2013 teams should end up, which is in the Sweet 16. Yes, he got to the Sweet 16 from the back door, but he still got us there.
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Don't forget Yemi getting booted off the team after the female got the order of protection against him.

His recruiting of posts was terrible. He landed Stokes in his first class and never has even approached being able to replace he or now, Maymon. That's why we were praying for a transfer or a miracle from a freshman this upcoming season.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Martin lost some games that he had no business losing. Austin Peay comes to mind. All the close games that we couldn't find a way to win at the end comes to mind.

However; (1) Martin is a respectable man

(2) His players didn't get in trouble on campus " Golden is the exception"

3) He recruited fairly well. He was in on Austin Nichols until the end.

(4) His players graduate.

(5) Martin didn't embarrass the university.

(6) He took the team exactly where we all thought the 2013 teams should end up, which is in the Sweet 16. Yes, he got to the Sweet 16 from the back door, but he still got us there.
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Every coach loses to teams he shouldn't to every year. Maybe Duke should fire coach k for losing to Mercer. I am not a fan of Zo and thought he underachieved but I find it ridiculous when people say well he lost to such and such...give me the entire body of work not one game
 
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Tux said:
If Mike White is hired as the new coach, I will accept it and move on. He was not my first choice, nor was he in my top 7-8 picks.

I have read some fans say that this is an upgrade over Martin> I did not sign the petition and I did not argue that Martin was the "cat's meow" of coaches.

That being said, this new hire is not an upgrade. It is starting the program all over. White is very young, has not been a head coach at this level, and has a lot of work to do on the recruiting trail.

Continuity was lost and UT has gone back to the starting line to get back into the race for basketball dominance. Some may feel good about where we are at. I'm indifferent. I believe we could have made a hire that kept our place in the SEC pecking order and in a position to not lose ground.

This hire was a safe hire by Dave Hart, but it is not coming as cheap as he had hoped to because White has demanded a higher buyout in order to agree to the deal. Hart had the opportunity to cement his legacy at UT with a big fish hire, but chose to go a safer and cheaper route. In the process the program will lose ground for hopefully just a short period of time, while our coach gets his feet wet and is able to prove himself to prospects who know nothing of hi or if he will be successful at UT.

What do you think?
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If it is indeed White its an upgrade in every facet except HC experience
 
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Just to ease your mind OP

White has an extremely high basketball IQ. He is from the south, played pg in the SEC and was probably Kennedy's best recruiters. He turned a pathetic LA Tech school around into a decent team. Also, his dad is an AD. He's pretty comfortable with formal dinners, boosters, etc... considering he grew up in that environment. The guy is young, highly energetic and runs a style that is exciting. He's proven to be a good judge of talent with what he has at la tech and their results.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
well, I don't expect the next coach to miss on 7+ recruits in 3 yrs on one hand. That said, I'd take White everytime of course if we look at next years roster. It has a chance to not be as bad with a coach who knows how to use his players before the direst of circumstance. White will adjust to his athletes and let his kids play ball, which would be a great change.
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I think his biggest asset is the ability to adjust. If hired, should be interesting. Right now he is the one I feel the most comfortable with out all the candidates. Not that that means a damn thing.
 
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volfan411 said:
I think it is a good hire and am excited about the future of the program.
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Has he been hired or is this pure speculation over an espn article? Espn also released an article saying Cuonzo was leaning toward Marquette...Theyre not always the most reliable source
 
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Rudy123 said:
Didn't Dave Clawson win at Richmond? How did that translate in to our offense in 2008?

Hell, it got Fulmer, Chavis, Brooks, etc. all fired......

Kelvin Sampson wins at Oklahoma & Indiana but I would not want him.

Mike Leach won at Texas Tech, but I would not want him.
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Wasn't allowed to run his offense by CPF
 
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