New Commitment: Hutson Chance ‘25

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Another example of what’s wrong with college baseball

welcome young man. When you fully get past puberty keep developing or your commitment is worthless
 
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BruinVol said:
Another example of what’s wrong with college baseball

welcome young man. When you fully get past puberty keep developing or your commitment is worthless
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Baseball? As if we’ve never seen 8th-9th graders commit in football and basketball?

I know Lane Kiffin and Billy Gillispie might have something to say about that.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Baseball? As if we’ve never seen 8th-9th graders commit in football and basketball?

I know Lane Kiffin and Billy Gillispie might have something to say about that.
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I think Bruin is faulting the system, not specifically Tennessee Baseball. Unfortunately it’s how the recruiting game is currently played in all sports. Personally, I think something needs to be done however I don’t have a logical solution……
 
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OldTimer said:
I think Bruin is faulting the system, not specifically Tennessee Baseball. Unfortunately it’s how the recruiting game is currently played in all sports. Personally, I think something needs to be done however I don’t have a logical solution……
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Agree. But whatever the system is in baseball, it’s apparently similar enough in football/basketball that kids are committing very early in those sports too.
 
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Here’s a question, when you recruit a kid this far out, is scholarship money even discussed? It doesn’t seem like it could be because a coach can’t possibly know what he’s gonna have 4 years out, right?

Isn’t this more of building a relationship kinda deal?
 
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Baseball is easier to project than a lot of other sports mainly due to the AAU scene. If the kid is playing against the Powerhouse teams that literally fly kids in for a weekend to throw one game and they are performing at a high level they won’t just fall off.
 
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Nobody plays AAU baseball, it is PG and PBR. I would disagree. I know several kids who are really big kids at 14U and never get any faster, especially pitchers. As a coach, you have to recruit what you see and hope they progress at the rate you project. Recruiting has become more projecting. There are many players that do not stay at the colleges they are recruited at that did not progress at the same rate they had. You hope that a kid who is 83/85 as a freshman or who is hitting the ball to the fence will be at 93/93 when he graduates and the hitter will be hitting consistent home runs. Those that flatten out are pushed out or told that their services are no longer needed. I agree with Bruin that the recruiting process is messed up but I don't know a way to fix it. They tried in other sports by limiting contact with players but it did not keep players from committing to colleges whether that meant anything or not.
They do offer money either in an exact amount such as $10,000 a year or a %. They keep a running tab of what they have totally offered for each year and what players have accepted and that reduces their scholarship money available. That is why the recruiting process, especially for P5 schools, is usually over by the time a recruiting class starts their junior year. Very few players have a huge jump in playing ability after that summer. The smart schools will keep a certain amount for transfers from jucos and guys not going that you thought would be drafted.
 
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GregAmsler said:
Agree. But whatever the system is in baseball, it’s apparently similar enough in football/basketball that kids are committing very early in those sports too.
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That’s really not true at all. Kids don’t commit in football/basketball at this age unless it’s extremely rare. Happens way faster in baseball and at alarming rates
 
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preacherman20 said:
I agree with Bruin that the recruiting process is messed up but I don't know a way to fix it.
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the solution is simply.

Allow coaches to meet with kids at any point and offer scholarships at any point(they already are so nothing changes). AND allow players to sign NLIs immediately after committing with the schools being bound to that $(same as the 25 rule in football). The players get out of the NLI only if the HC leaves.

If those things happen mark my words .... the wild projecting and high number of commitments at such an early age come to a screeching halt.
 
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I like the idea but I do not think it will change the recruiting process. Most players would gladly sign and NLI immediately but it would hurt many of them as much as it would hurt the school. If a school brought in a better player in their position or recruited a bunch of competition for their position, they would want out of it also. If you lock the money, which I think they do to some extent now just not officially, and the school decides to move in a different direction there are very few kids, especially at P5 schools that would continue their education there if the coach said we have to honor your scholarship but you will not play here. They would remove themselves from the contract and it would still be null and void. I don't think there is a true answer other than at some point them policing themselves but that has not worked as we have seen. For years there were coaches who were willing to make an offer after the player committed but would not talk to the player or parents as long as he was committed. They held to the gentleman's agreement that if you were committed you were off limits to anyone else. But DVH has made it clear that he does not hold to that anymore so as he continues to break the rule others will also and before very long, I'm thinking a year, it will be gone. It will all be free game.
 
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preacherman20 said:
I like the idea but I do not think it will change the recruiting process. Most players would gladly sign and NLI immediately but it would hurt many of them as much as it would hurt the school. If a school brought in a better player in their position or recruited a bunch of competition for their position, they would want out of it also. If you lock the money, which I think they do to some extent now just not officially, and the school decides to move in a different direction there are very few kids, especially at P5 schools that would continue their education there if the coach said we have to honor your scholarship but you will not play here. They would remove themselves from the contract and it would still be null and void. I don't think there is a true answer other than at some point them policing themselves but that has not worked as we have seen. For years there were coaches who were willing to make an offer after the player committed but would not talk to the player or parents as long as he was committed. They held to the gentleman's agreement that if you were committed you were off limits to anyone else. But DVH has made it clear that he does not hold to that anymore so as he continues to break the rule others will also and before very long, I'm thinking a year, it will be gone. It will all be free game.
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Especially with the one-time transfer rule. Those kids would just transfer before ever hitting campus if they changed their mind. Now, you could argue that they lose their one free pass by doing so, but most kids aren't thinking that far ahead, and a good percentage of them believe they will only be around for 3 years.
 
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The one-time transfer rule was only for a short time as far as I understand. If you were not in it by July 1, you have to sit a year to be eligible now to play in D1.
 
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preacherman20 said:
The one-time transfer rule was only for a short time as far as I understand. If you were not in it by July 1, you have to sit a year to be eligible now to play in D1.
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I'm sure you're right (especially with Kirby there to know the rules).

I was under the impression previously that the one-time free transfer rule was for everyone going forward. In other words, it's one-time transfer for each athlete, not a one-time free transfer just this year.
 
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cthvolsfan said:
I'm sure you're right (especially with Kirby there to know the rules).

I was under the impression previously that the one-time free transfer rule was for everyone going forward. In other words, it's one-time transfer for each athlete, not a one-time free transfer just this year.
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I had thought the same thing, but looked at the rule, and it does appear to specifically state that it is for athletes that apply for transfer by July 1, 2021. I think the general feeling is that they are doing an initial 1-year trial run, and there's a good chance they will extend this in the future, but that remains to be seen.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_center/Transfer/OneTime_Transfer.pdf
 
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