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chattavol420 said:
We’re not permanently relegated to finding diamonds in the rough I guarantee you. Butch had a couple of top 5 classes and Pruitt had the no1 class before it all came unraveled. We are one of the top 10 programs historically. And our average recruiting class should be right around that threshold. If anything the fact that we have continued to achieve fringe top 10 classes over the past decade is a testament to the school. We have not had consistent or competent coaching staffs over that time frame and our two most important rivals we need to win recruiting battles against (Bama and Georgia) are in the midst of the greatest runs in their history.
If we can have a great year this year it will totally validate Josh Heuple and we could easily see those classes break into the top five. Look at what a school like Clemson was able to accomplish once they broke through and got in the championship hunt. Also, Saban will eventually retire which should create some instability there increasing our chances to slid in to Alabama for a recruit here and there. And finally…Tennessee is producing more instate talent than ever before. Simple picking up half of the top 25 in state kids will go a long ways towards a great class alone. You are undervaluing our program’s reach and our homegrown talent.
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Appreciate your points and overall like your post.

Just to make a broader point, sorry to all the Vol recruiting addicts but many of those classes since 99-00 were pretty much fake news. A ton of overrated players. No championships or playoff games to show for any of it.

Post Manning we had one repeat ONE legit nfl farm team in 2000. And Fulmer screwed the pooch.

Where Vol football went wrong is starting with Fulmer post NC we lost our underdog culture and started thinking we were bigger than we were and that we could be a dominant force on the recruiting trail WITHOUT a deep home state talent base.

Save your breath I’ve seen all the 4* and 5* exceptions which have meant nothing without the true Vol culture “I’m gonna knock that effing chip off your arrogant shoulder”.

To respond generally to another post I don’t know how old any of you are either all I know is I LOVED going into a FL game knowing they disrespect us or GA knowing they think they’re better but are deep down really insecure about it or Bama knowing they own us and it won’t even be a game. Back in the good old days that gave us the motivation to prove everybody wrong. Today even our own fans buy into that BVS.

I want that underdog culture and passion back where every game we’re challenged to prove OUR guys are better than theirs bc we want it more.

Just sayin
 
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Woke said:
Slaughter deserves more love here than his 3-star 247 ranking warrants.

We’re the biggest overachieving underdog in SEC history we’ve got NO monster in-state recruiting base yet we built an iconic program by finding overlooked underrated players and coaching them up hard while mixing in a handful of superstars at key positions.
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I think you're making revisionist history. When we were relevant, we had top 5 recruiting classes every year, full of 4 and 5* recruits. Nobody consistently out-recruited Fulmer during the 90's and early 2000's.
 
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Woke said:
Where Vol football went wrong is starting with Fulmer post NC we lost our underdog culture and started thinking we were bigger than we were and that we could be a dominant force on the recruiting trail WITHOUT a deep home state talent base.
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No. We had a top dog culture starting with the latter part of the Major's years--that's how we got such great recruits. What happened was a perfect storm. Saban resurrected Alabama, Meyer took UF to the top, Spurrier went to SC and Richt got UGA rolling pretty good. All those upgrades in coaching caused Fulmer to miss out of 3-4 studs he would have otherwise gotten every year. You take 3-4 studs off even the Bama roster every year and that program would not dominate like the Vols did in the 90's, even with Saban coaching. When Fulmer had one very bad year, he got axed and the program went to crap. Only an idiot would assert that firing Fulmer worked out well for the Vols. The Bear, Bowden and Paterno all had some horrible years but were allowed to right the ship. Due to Hamilton's idiocy, the Vol football program went through 20 years of pure hell. Even if Fulmer had not turned it around, the program would have been in much better shape had he been given the opportunity. Furthermore, there is no denying the talent base in Tennessee is far better than it's ever been.
 
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LAVol1 said:
I think you're making revisionist history. When we were relevant, we had top 5 recruiting classes every year, full of 4 and 5* recruits. Nobody consistently out-recruited Fulmer during the 90's and early 2000's.
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That is true. However, many things have changed since the mid 1990s. We essentially had the pick of the litter in South Carolina and pulled some stars out od North Carolin. We would get some of the best players from Georgia and pick a few good ones from Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and Ohio. Spurrier came to South Carolina, Saban came to Alabama and Clemson hired Swinney. Fulmer was fired and our Athletic Department hire a bunch of inferior coaches. Our program went fro a top 5 Program to a top 50 Program. Even our instate players want to go somewhere else. Many of us think we are on the cusp of climbing Bach to a top 10-15 Program but we also realize that it will not come overnight and we will have to recruit more and better players than we have during the last 15 years. We made a good start last year and I believe we will have a very good class this year and next. If this turns out to be fact, we will be ready to return to the top 5 group within the next 3-4 years. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
 
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LAVol1 said:
I think you're making revisionist history. When we were relevant, we had top 5 recruiting classes every year, full of 4 and 5* recruits. Nobody consistently out-recruited Fulmer during the 90's and early 2000's.
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Glad you brought this up. Revisionist history??

When Cut (not Fulmer) recruited Peyton there WERE NO RECRUIT CLASS RANKINGS like there are today and the player rankings were pretty much subjective crap shoots.

During Peyton’s 4-year playing tenure it was his obvious next level skills and star power that built our subsequent NFL classes bc everyone wanted to play with our QB (on both sides of the ball).

Yet our weak coach Fulmer failed to dominate with Manning and then choked away the ‘00 SECCG to Saban along with an engraved invitation to the NC game, and the “Manning recruiting magnet effect” was done. And so was the short-lived national Tennessee football dynasty. Sigh. Until today it’s been pretty much all downhill from there.

FTR Fulmer post-Manning was generally a fraud as a recruiter. He took random high-ranking guys to bump up his class rankings to save his own lazy butt so he could buy time to chase the General’s record. Even though way too many never panned out, way too many Volfans fell bigtime for this recruiting shell game as our program rotted away at the core.

Star gazing is NOT a substitute for recruiting the right fit players and coaching them up based on OUR authentic culture. Neither is employing coaches who put themselves first in various ways.

At least Heup has stopped all the “me first” coaching BS.
 
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Woke said:
Slaughter deserves more love here than his 3-star 247 ranking warrants.

Legit S prospect with all the right measurables: 6’ 1 1/2”, already 200lbs, confident workhorse, great speed, FREAKISH wingspan, flying under the radar bc he plays in Southaven and didn’t hype his recruiting by doing a lot of camps.

Apparently he’s been #1 all along on the Vols ‘23 D board for S and the feeling was mutual. Never even took an official visit to Ole Miss yet got the offer; not sure if same at FSU.

Kid appears to be an overlooked diamond in the rough with tremendous upside potential.

That’s basically where we are recruiting-wise right now outside of some exceptional NIL situations like Nico. And IMO that’s basically where we’ve always been in my lifetime.

We’re the biggest overachieving underdog in SEC history we’ve got NO monster in-state recruiting base yet we built an iconic program by finding overlooked underrated players and coaching them up hard while mixing in a handful of superstars at key positions.

Slaughter fits right in and I hope he develops into a star.
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FULMER Routinely Signed 12-16 4&5 star players each year. Musta been before your time.
 
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Woke said:
Glad you brought this up. Revisionist history??

When Cut (not Fulmer) recruited Peyton there WERE NO RECRUIT CLASS RANKINGS like there are today and the player rankings were pretty much subjective crap shoots.

During Peyton’s 4-year playing tenure it was his obvious next level skills and star power that built our subsequent NFL classes bc everyone wanted to play with our QB (on both sides of the ball).

Yet our weak coach Fulmer failed to dominate with Manning and then choked away the ‘00 SECCG to Saban along with an engraved invitation to the NC game, and the “Manning recruiting magnet effect” was done. And so was the short-lived national Tennessee football dynasty. Sigh. Until today it’s been pretty much all downhill from there.

FTR Fulmer post-Manning was generally a fraud as a recruiter. He took random high-ranking guys to bump up his class rankings to save his own lazy butt so he could buy time to chase the General’s record. Even though way too many never panned out, way too many Volfans fell bigtime for this recruiting shell game as our program rotted away at the core.

Star gazing is NOT a substitute for recruiting the right fit players and coaching them up based on OUR authentic culture. Neither is employing coaches who put themselves first in various ways.

At least Heup has stopped all the “me first” coaching BS.
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Recruiting has been a big deal for the last 30-40 years with at least 5 publicatiions releasing a top 100--top 200 list. Tennessee usually got 5-10 players out of the top 100--150; Beginning in 1979 with Majors and continuing into the early 2000's with Fulmer. Some come to mind, REGGIE WHITE, Heath Shuler, Reggie Cobb, Chuck Webb, Carl Pickens, Al Wilson, Willie Gault, Eric Still, John Henderson, Hanesworth, L.Little, Tori Noel, Cedric Wilson,, James Berry, Eric Berry, Keith Davis, Reggie McKenzie, Jason Parker, Roland James, Dion Grant, Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, Travis Stephens, Cosey Coleman, Jason Whitten, Eric Ainge, Darwin Walker, Dale Carter Chad Clifton; (ALL would have started at any D-1 School) I'm leaving a ton of top 150 players out. Like BUSTS Brian Darden, Onterrio Smith,
 
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JohnWardForever said:
Recruiting has been a big deal for the last 30-40 years with at least 5 publicatiions releasing a top 100--top 200 list. Tennessee usually got 5-10 players out of the top 100--150; Beginning in 1979 with Majors and continuing into the early 2000's with Fulmer. Some come to mind, REGGIE WHITE, Heath Shuler, Reggie Cobb, Chuck Webb, Carl Pickens, Al Wilson, Willie Gault, Eric Still, John Henderson, Hanesworth, L.Little, Tori Noel, Cedric Wilson,, James Berry, Eric Berry, Keith Davis, Reggie McKenzie, Jason Parker, Roland James, Dion Grant, Jamal Lewis, Travis Henry, Travis Stephens, Cosey Coleman, Jason Whitten, Eric Ainge, Darwin Walker, Dale Carter Chad Clifton; (ALL would have started at any D-1 School) I'm leaving a ton of top 150 players out. Like BUSTS Brian Darden, Onterrio Smith,
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That is a great list. Guys were fun to watch. Probably did leave some good ones off.
 
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