New Commit - DE/LB Martaze Jackson

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raynochonspeed said:
Exceptions aren't the rule.

Show me a team full of 2- and 3-star talent, and I'll show you a mediocre team.

And before Boise State is trotted out as an exception, two things. 1) See my first sentence. 2) Boise State has what UT may not: one of the elite head coaches in the nation.
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Sure there are exceptions.

I think the point is that you can't dismiss a player as mediocre SOLEY because he only receives 3 stars from Rivals... not that 3 and 2 star players are all going to be All Americans or All Pro.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
A lot of them do. Lots of 3-star players just need S&C and coaching up to become just as good as the 4/5-star guys. Some recruits are over-rated and some are under-rated due to a variety of factors. Intangibles such as character, attitude, work ethic, etc. are sometimes better in the 3-star guys, but they just weren't that well coached or on that good of team in HS.

Number of 3-star players in Bama's recent recruiting classes:

2007 - 14 + 3 more 2-stars
2008 - 10 + 2 more 2-stars
2009 - 12
2010 - 9 (2 more likely)

Plenty of starters and major contributors among them.

BTW, just like recruits, some coaches are over-rated (Lil Lane), while some are under-rated, but actually have all the "right stuff" and just need the opportunity (Derek Dooley) that will enable them to show what they can accomplish.
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Well made points. Sure you aren't a closet Vol fan? Trying to keep the morale up over here. :)
 
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If this guy has legit pass-rush ability, he could be a great rotational OLB on 3rd down blitzing territory.

I'm extremely pleased with what Dooley's done. A Top 10 WR, a Top 15 S, and now addressed a need with a pass-rushing OLB. He's had a great week.
 
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vol1187 said:
Well made points. Sure you aren't a closet Vol fan? Trying to keep the morale up over here. :)
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:) Nah. Here's the deal: I grew up and went to college at Bama during the Bear era. Back then there was mutual respect among the top SEC rivals like Bama, UT, Auburn, UGA etc. My dad went to Arky, but he liked Bama, Auburn and UT too because they played great football. When I was a youngster (in Huntsville), my dad's best buddy was a UT grad and his son was one of my best friends. All of us used to go to the Bama vs UT games together. As a Bama alum, I bleed Crimson and of course always want Bama to beat the Vols, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to "hate" the Vols.

I just hated it when UT hired Kiffin. I'm glad he's gone. IMO, he is not worthy of being a HC anywhere, let alone in the SEC, and especially at one of the top SEC programs like UT. Derek Dooley is worthy. UT lost a few good recruits due to the coaching change, but will overcome that and will be far better off a couple of years from now with Dooley as the HC. Just wait and see.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
:) Nah. Here's the deal: I grew up and went to college at Bama during the Bear era. Back then there was mutual respect among the top SEC rivals like Bama, UT, Auburn, UGA etc. My dad went to Arky, but he liked Bama, Auburn and UT too because they played great football. When I was a youngster (in Huntsville), my dad's best buddy was a UT grad and his son was one of my best friends. All of us used to go to the Bama vs UT games together. As a Bama alum, I bleed Crimson and of course always want Bama to beat the Vols, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to "hate" the Vols.

I just hated it when UT hired Kiffin. I'm glad he's gone. IMO, he is not worthy of being a HC anywhere, let alone in the SEC, and especially at one of the top SEC programs like UT. Derek Dooley is worthy. UT lost a few good recruits due to the coaching change, but will overcome that and will be far better off a couple of years from now with Dooley as the HC. Just wait and see.
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You, sir, are a rare class act from Tide nation.
 
#83
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Tidal Surge said:
:)

I just hated it when UT hired Kiffin. I'm glad he's gone. IMO, he is not worthy of being a HC anywhere, let alone in the SEC, and especially at one of the top SEC programs like UT. Derek Dooley is worthy. UT lost a few good recruits due to the coaching change, but will overcome that and will be far better off a couple of years from now with Dooley as the HC. Just wait and see.
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I have to admit, like many other UT fans, I was ready for a change. Because of who he brought with him, I bought in to what he was selling. Thing is, I live in Chattanooga and therefore I live around a lot of Bama and UGA fans. All cool people and fans of the SEC in general. I quickly grew tired of defending that mouth of his. Dooley has my utmost confidence. He fits the University better than Kiff.

And as far a how many stars a player has, I don't get too caught up in it. One needs to look no further than Nick Reveiz. A walk on, but Monte seen the potential and he ended up QB'ing our defense. Sometimes heart will get you further than a recruiting service's ranking.
 
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#84
No one is saying 3* recruits can't be great players. Every national champion has significant 3* guys that contribute greatly. Every time someone is critical of 2-3* recruits we get 1,000 examples of those players that have exceeded their ranking. It's kind of like stating that, generally speaking, big schools beat small schools and immediately getting the barrage of examples to the contrary (Appy State, Boise, etc.). All I was saying was that we will need more to be competitive in the SEC. DD may indeed be able to provide that. A previous poster made the relevant point that DD has also gotten commitments from two 4* players. I hope he has tons of success not only because I love Tennessee, but because he appears to have class and integrity. Time will tell.
 
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this kid has potential and I will remind everyone that savion frazier was a two star before he committed to us and by nsd he was a three star and before he got hurt this year I think he played great. frazier will tear it up next season so I think this kid could do something.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
:) Nah. Here's the deal: I grew up and went to college at Bama during the Bear era. Back then there was mutual respect among the top SEC rivals like Bama, UT, Auburn, UGA etc. My dad went to Arky, but he liked Bama, Auburn and UT too because they played great football. When I was a youngster (in Huntsville), my dad's best buddy was a UT grad and his son was one of my best friends. All of us used to go to the Bama vs UT games together. As a Bama alum, I bleed Crimson and of course always want Bama to beat the Vols, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to "hate" the Vols.

I just hated it when UT hired Kiffin. I'm glad he's gone. IMO, he is not worthy of being a HC anywhere, let alone in the SEC, and especially at one of the top SEC programs like UT. Derek Dooley is worthy. UT lost a few good recruits due to the coaching change, but will overcome that and will be far better off a couple of years from now with Dooley as the HC. Just wait and see.
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It's a sad day when a bammer makes more sense than half of the Volnation.
 
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Volmorning said:
It's a sad day when a bammer makes more sense than half of the Volnation.
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Well, UT fans are so close to the situation and rightfully upset about how the Kiffen hire played out. Folks bought the snake oil he was selling and then like a snake oil salesman he skipped town. Everyone got their hopes up for some big splash HC hire to make it all better quickly, but due to the timing of his departure so close to NSD and the resulting necessity to get a new HC hired ASAP the big splash hire was not to be. There's always some risk associated with coaching hires. I think the Dooley hire is lower risk than the Kiffin hire was and has more upside potential. From what I can tell Dooley has the "right stuff" to be very successful, but he does face a tough challenge. I think he is off to a good start so far.
 
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cbrown said:
No one is saying 3* recruits can't be great players. Every national champion has significant 3* guys that contribute greatly. Every time someone is critical of 2-3* recruits we get 1,000 examples of those players that have exceeded their ranking. It's kind of like stating that, generally speaking, big schools beat small schools and immediately getting the barrage of examples to the contrary (Appy State, Boise, etc.). All I was saying was that we will need more to be competitive in the SEC. DD may indeed be able to provide that. A previous poster made the relevant point that DD has also gotten commitments from two 4* players. I hope he has tons of success not only because I love Tennessee, but because he appears to have class and integrity. Time will tell.
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Actually.......

"Am I the only one who is concerned that Tennessee is poaching players from a football program that wasn't in existence two years ago? And yes, I realize the Rivals rankings don't mean everything, but the do mean something. This athlete may turn out to be a stud, but if this is going to be representative of Tennessee's overall recruiting efforts, there is reason for concern."

That's sounds pretty negative nancy to me. The kid's a solid 3 star recruit (as many are) and you're running him down a bit. Don't mean to call you on the carpet but....
 
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vol1187 said:
I have to admit, like many other UT fans, I was ready for a change. Because of who he brought with him, I bought in to what he was selling. Thing is, I live in Chattanooga and therefore I live around a lot of Bama and UGA fans. All cool people and fans of the SEC in general. I quickly grew tired of defending that mouth of his. Dooley has my utmost confidence. He fits the University better than Kiff.

And as far a how many stars a player has, I don't get too caught up in it. One needs to look no further than Nick Reveiz. A walk on, but Monte seen the potential and he ended up QB'ing our defense. Sometimes heart will get you further than a recruiting service's ranking.
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Yep. That example reminds me of Rashad Johnson, a phenomenal safety for Bama for several seasons. He "captained" the secondary. He graduated after the 2008 season and was drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. He was a 'smalltown" HS running back from Sulligent, AL who walked on at Bama.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
:) Nah. Here's the deal: I grew up and went to college at Bama during the Bear era. Back then there was mutual respect among the top SEC rivals like Bama, UT, Auburn, UGA etc. My dad went to Arky, but he liked Bama, Auburn and UT too because they played great football. When I was a youngster (in Huntsville), my dad's best buddy was a UT grad and his son was one of my best friends. All of us used to go to the Bama vs UT games together. As a Bama alum, I bleed Crimson and of course always want Bama to beat the Vols, but that doesn't mean I feel a need to "hate" the Vols.

I just hated it when UT hired Kiffin. I'm glad he's gone. IMO, he is not worthy of being a HC anywhere, let alone in the SEC, and especially at one of the top SEC programs like UT. Derek Dooley is worthy. UT lost a few good recruits due to the coaching change, but will overcome that and will be far better off a couple of years from now with Dooley as the HC. Just wait and see.
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Tidal, I see your point. I'm b+r in Tenn, die hard VOL, but I just don't HATE UA or UF. I don't like GA all that much but its bc I'm from Chatt and had to deal with their fans all my life. (UGA fans are ridiculous) But as for the OP- I believe Mark Ingram was a 3* iirc. And someone stated on here and itmade a lot of sense. The higher the star rating, the more ready for impact the recruit is. Meaning that a 5* isn't always gonna be better than a 3*, but a 5* is more ready as a frosh to play. A 3* who s+c's hard and learns the schemes, may very well be as good or better by soph or jr year.
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#92
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buffaloblue said:
My goodness, can you imagine if you were a recruit and you or your friends came on a place like this and all the fan base was talking about is how they don't want you.

We are looking at measurables here folks. Look at the measurables on JJ McCleasky and think about the impact he had on this program.

Not every kid that comes in is going to be a 4.5 LB that goes to the NFL, but if he can contribute to this team in years 4 and 5 thats still a great signing.

Put this kid in a weight room and get him on a proper strength and conditioning program and he will be 6'2 225 in no time, and that forty time just may cut a tenth to a 4.6.

Now if thats his measurables going into his redshirt sophmore year was he still a bad signing? And if not, he can play special teams and contribute to this team and who knows maybe there are leadership qualities in a kid that already gave up his most recruitable position to play Defensive end cause it made more sense for his TEAM.

We know very little about these recruits and to judge them like some of you are to the point of not even wanting them on a team when we will be lucky to get to the 28 scholorship limit for this year. Sometimes I dont get it.
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#93
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theutvolunteers said:
As usual. it has turned into an overreaction factory.
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Don't you know the ******* sky is falling? Chicken Littles are clucking and you don't want to hear them!!!!!!!!

OK for all of you Chicken Littles, the man has 3 weeks to get some players in here. There are fewer available now than earlier. Would you rather pass on some 3*s with upside potential, take some of them or just pass on everyone? I sure am glad DD is making these decisions and not you illogical armchair QBs.
 
#95
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volroadwarrior said:
Don't you know the ******* sky is falling? Chicken Littles are clucking and you don't want to hear them!!!!!!!!

OK for all of you Chicken Littles, the man has 3 weeks to get some players in here. There are fewer available now than earlier. Would you rather pass on some 3*s with upside potential, take some of them or just pass on everyone? I sure am glad DD is making these decisions and not you illogical armchair QBs.
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:frown: :disappointed: :scare: :bad: :sick: :mf_surrender: :drive2:
 
#96
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I don't know about that....look @ the coaching hires he has made,makes a guy wonder if he know's what he's doing!
 
#97
#97
does anyone know any info on the te rivera there is an article on volquest but i'm not a member and was wondering if we lead for him now?
 
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#99
Volmorning said:
It's a sad day when a bammer makes more sense than half of the Volnation.
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+100

Sad day when I have to admit that about half our fanbase are complete and utter tools with little or no common sense. Our former used car salesman coach sold alot of these guys on all flash and little substance and they bought in hook, line and sinker.:no:

Glad you're here Martaze...welcome to Volnation and all it's glory.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
Some highly rated recruits from those classes are indeed part of the reason for Bama's NC, but not all of Bama's starters were highly touted recruits.

One of the best players on Bama's NC team and one of the three permanent Team Captains: Javier Arenas -- Multi-year starter, All American CB and record setting punt/kick returner. Out of HS, he was only offered by FL International until Mike Shula-coached Bama grabbed him late in the recruiting cycle. He was "too short". BTW, he'll be an early round NFL draft pick.

There are also other examples of starters and key players on Bama's NC team who were not highly regarded / ranked recruits. A few examples are Cory Reamer (LB), Eryk Anders (LB), Darius Hanks (WR). Even Heisman Winner Mark Ingram was rated a 3-star by one of the recruiting services.
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I know that Saban is a very good coach,but I don't think that he would have the success that he has had so fast without Mike Shula laying the ground work out first,I thought that Shula was doing a good job
 
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