New Commit: '17 MS 4* WR Jordan Murphy

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Stop worshiping lsu and salami. When Butch is done they will wish they were us.

Stars are for daydreamers. I want players.

BOOM.
 
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There's a big difference between a 3 star with offers from Old Dominion and Buffalo and a 3 star with offers from LSU and bama. Like this kid's talent and potential.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Really?

You think all 300-400 Tennessee offers out right now are committable today?

Of course you don't.

Like I said. It's not just UT. Other schools do it too.
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"All 300-400 Tennessee offers"...???

Please verify by posting the athletes names and hometowns. I didn't know that we offered this many. It would mean that UT only accepts 5% to 9% of all its offers.

And for comparative purposes (since "other schools do it too"), show that 300-400 offers list for Georgia and LSU.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
I don't understand why guys continue to question the coaching staff ability to recruit. 3 star or 5 let the coaches get the guys they like. GO VOLS
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While I agree with you in large part, recruiting and recruiting rankings matter. Yes, there is great reason to trust in Butch and staff and give them the overwhelming benefit of the doubt.

But the facts are the facts.....according to Daniel Lewis of RockyTopInsider, every team that's won a national title in the last several years (don't recall that exact time period) has done so while having a 4-5 year composite recruiting ranking in the top 10, save 1 team, and they were in the top 12 iirc.

So, IMO, the unrest or even low grade "panic" at this point about this class stems from both that fact (if you wanna win a title, you gotta recruit at a consistent elite level over a 4-5 stretch) and the relative disappointment of what this class currently looks like "on paper".....we're currently #9 on 247 overall but are 23rd out of the top 50 in average rating per recruit......in other words, we have quantity, not quality. If we continue that pace (which, btw, I don't think we will) we're gonna struggle to have a top 20 class let alone the top 5 or 10 that everyone was expecting.

With all the legitimately lofty expectations most all had for this class and so much top in-state talent already committed and/or looking elsewhere......I think that's why so many are scratching their heads and are eagerly ready to jump into panic mode so early in the recruiting cycle.
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Years ago that was true. Offer lists mattered. Not really any more. Just look how Tennessee tosses out offers. Hundreds of them and ALOT of them aren't committable. Other schools do it too, but UT is usually right at the top extending offers wise. If a kid lists a Tennessee or an Alabama offer but that school won't take a commitment from that recruit that day, is it an offer for anything? No. Its worthless. Lots and Lots of worthless "offers" on recruiting profiles these days.
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Just can't help but forum jump when you think you have a chance to down UT to anyone who may not follow recruiting, can you?

For anyone here who doesn't, yes schools like Alabama and us will have that many offers out.
What he is not telling you is there is roughly 1.1 million people available to try out for football each year.
So the 3 to 4 hundred that receive offers from top D1 schools, are still the elite talent.
The offer list definitely matters.

Trust me, there's a reason this guy is on the majority of the recruiting forum members ignore list.
 
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Of course a team needs top 10 talent to compete for championships but Idk that you need 4 classes to be top 10 plus things are not always as they appear. Take bama, yes they get all these number 1 classes but they also have prob the best coach ever and the best s&c coach in the country.

Also, while most teams are built as smaller faster spread teams, bama is built for power big boy football and they have great talent all over so they just dominate people at the line cuz their bigger and stronger and have more depth than anybody.

If you watch a players rankings, when bama offers him it always goes up and this is not the case for most other schools. It just seems if all the guys they offered didn't shoot up in the rankings would bama actually always had the number 1 class? If they stayed where they were before bama's offer? Sometimes yes, prob other times no.

Chances are with a couple top 10 classes and as long as the rest of your roster stays within the top 15-20, the rest will be coaches, scheme, development, health, luck, etc.

I just think you can win a NC without having 4 top 10 classes if you make up for it in other area's.
 
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Last checked we aren't battling Troy and Georgia State Tech A&M University for players like during the Dooley years. This staff knows what it wants in a player. Can't read into it too much but Cam Makers seemed excited about the commitment
 
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CoaxialOrange said:
Last checked we aren't battling Troy and Georgia State Tech A&M University for players like during the Dooley years. This staff knows what it wants in a player. Can't read into it too much but Cam Makers seemed excited about the commitment
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Currently ranked 6th in the country on Rivals - we could be doing a little better granted - but still doing a good job.
 
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I think if we actually fulfill expectations such as SEC championship or playoff appearance there are going to be some guys take a second look at us. I think many big recruits are taking a wait and see approach to us. I'm sure other teams such as OSU,Bama,Clemson,and probably many others are telling them we can't win the big games.
 
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In addition to being ranked 6th in the country on Rivals - 3 or our top 6 recruits in the rankings have all landed in the last 3 or 4 days. That's three 4 stars in the last 4 days.

We need much more boom age imo.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
fade, you know we only use the highest ranking available. He's a composite high 3*. He is rated highly enough that he is likely to get a 4* bump with decent performances this season.

Some have questioned the potential for eligibility issues. I think clearing up any of those questions could also help him in the rankings.

Aside from the star-rating, this kid is a heckuva talent - speed and great hands. He is up to 180+lbs and has been working hard to improve on the field and in the classroom. I think everyone will be very pleased with this guy once they learn a bit more about him.

If you haven't had the chance to see him play, have a look:

Jordan Murphy - Hudl
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So where you from that you have the Rockets as a favorite team? Not many know of the Glassbowl.
 
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08Vol said:
When the coaches show that they can beat the UF's and the BAMA's of the world with 3* talent then fine. But so far they haven't shown that. If things change this year then I'll change my opinion.
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but our team has a good number of 5 stars. so...what are you actually saying?
 
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tntar heel said:
Enki_Amenra said:
fade, you know we only use the highest ranking available. He's a composite high 3*. He is rated highly enough that he is likely to get a 4* bump with decent performances this season.

Some have questioned the potential for eligibility issues. I think clearing up any of those questions could also help him in the rankings.

Aside from the star-rating, this kid is a heckuva talent - speed and great hands. He is up to 180+lbs and has been working hard to improve on the field and in the classroom. I think everyone will be very pleased with this guy once they learn a bit more about him.

If you haven't had the chance to see him play, have a look:

Jordan Murphy - Hudl
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So where you from that you have the Rockets as a favorite team? Not many know of the Glassbowl.
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I'm just gonna put this through my handy-dandy universal translator, and....nope, still nothing.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
"All 300-400 Tennessee offers"...???

Please verify by posting the athletes names and hometowns. I didn't know that we offered this many. It would mean that UT only accepts 5% to 9% of all its offers.

And for comparative purposes (since "other schools do it too"), show that 300-400 offers list for Georgia and LSU.
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You can go to the 247 site and it's got a cool feature where if you click on a teams recruiting page and go to "offers" it will list every recruit who claims an offer from that school in a given class.
 
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08Vol said:
When the coaches show that they can beat the UF's and the BAMA's of the world with 3* talent then fine. But so far they haven't shown that. If things change this year then I'll change my opinion.
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Please don't change. You're a very funny guy with all of your "knowledge". Please, don't change.
 
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SmartVolFan said:
"All 300-400 Tennessee offers"...???

Please verify by posting the athletes names and hometowns. I didn't know that we offered this many. It would mean that UT only accepts 5% to 9% of all its offers.

And for comparative purposes (since "other schools do it too"), show that 300-400 offers list for Georgia and LSU.
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We offered over 200, not 300-400.

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course schools offer many athletes and not all of them can be accepted. The problem with his conjecture is that he tries to make it seem like the majority of players are given offers that are not committable. This is simply not true. Many of the accepted offers are given certain requirements, but the majority are committable. It's not always a pleasant side of college football, but room will be made at the expense of an already committed player if a higher valued prospect wants in later in the process.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
We offered over 200, not 300-400.

He doesn't know what he's talking about. Of course schools offer many athletes and not all of them can be accepted. The problem with his conjecture is that he tries to make it seem like the majority of players are given offers that are not committable. This is simply not true. Many of the accepted offers are given certain requirements, but the majority are committable. It's not always a pleasant side of college football, but room will be made at the expense of an already committed player if a higher valued prospect wants in later in the process.
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Based on 247 sports Tennessee recruiting page it lists "offers" to specific recruits as such.

2015-301
2016-314
2017-351(Over 6 months till NSD).
 
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CrunchingTheVolz said:
Based on 247 sports Tennessee recruiting page it lists "offers" to specific recruits as such.

2015-301
2016-314
2017-351(Over 6 months till NSD).
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So, based entirely on a website who list the offers that the recruits claim to have, you create your conjecture and assert that the majority of offers are not committable? You're just as fos as you were when you were posting as Leb.
 
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