New College Sports Commission rejecting NIL deals with collectives. It has begun

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jeff1vol said:
After ALL of the BS with NIL/Collectives/Clearinghouse, Congress, NCAA... blah, blah... It will all just end up as it was in previous years! Under-table deals skirting "rules".
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Wonder if Saban knew it was going to be business as usual after a few years, would he have still retired
 
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The new commission likely knows this is going to spark a legal case and thinks they can win without NCAA baggage and more focused rules. My first question is about a deal needing to be for a "valid business purpose" and "for profit"? Can an athlete not endorse a nonprofit for compensation? Because that ain't gonna a fly.
 
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B81 said:
Unfortunately for this committee, NIL is subjective, much like art. If I want to give Savion Hiter 2 mill for one of his 3rd grade finger-painting masterpieces that is my prerogative. It will be next to impossible to enforce any of these decisions.

All the players have to do is start an onlyfans account, and as long as they are in Knoxville wearing orange, they can get subscribers.
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I doubt the IRS would see it that way.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
The new commission likely knows this is going to spark a legal case and thinks they can win without NCAA baggage and more focused rules. My first question is about a deal needing to be for a "valid business purpose" and "for profit"? Can an athlete not endorse a nonprofit for compensation? Because that ain't gonna a fly.
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It is just BS, if I am willing to pay 100k for Lance Heard to swing by my 60th birthday party who is to say that is not valid?

If that’s valid, why is it not valid for me to give the vol club 1k a year to go to meet and greet with players or to get signed pictures?

No difference in both cases the player is selling their Name, Image and Likeness and it both cases it is what the buyer is willing to pay.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
It has always been pay to play but just in different form: Tuition, Room and Board, Trainers, medical staff, tutors, wine, women and song, etc…

Players have always been paid to play just the pay was not commiserate to their importance to the team except Alabama and a few other favored schools…
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Agree. But that money is nowhere close to the money we are talking about now. And they are still getting everything you mentioned in addition to the NIL. This pay for play is a different kettle of fish. And it mostly smells like day old sardines that have been left in the sun.
 
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Delmar said:
Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.
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You saw at least one. We all did. The Moonshine Mountain Cookie Company, or whatever they were called, and their deal with first Alontae Taylor, then Bru McCoy. Every interception (Alontae) or touchdown (Bru) wins all fans two free cookies, that deal? Yah, that was one of the first value-added NIL deals for our program, I think. Guess it will go again this year with some new player.


p.s. I don't think this new direction will survive the courts. Who is this new agency to say what methods of valuing a players name, image and likeness are more valid than others? If I want to pay a young man to come sign autographs, and invite the fans to pay an entry fee to show up as well, is that "just gathering money to pay for the player to be in the program? Or is there inherent value for the fans sharing time with the lads? How much value? That's up to the people paying for a ticket to decide. Right? Capitalism at work?

In a day and age where people will happily pay hundreds of dollars for a single game ticket, who is to say it's not really worth it to them to pay hundreds to spend time with a star player and get photos with him and some signatures on merch? How can they possibly argue the only purpose of those gatherings is to earn money to pay the kid to play for that team?

Arguments in this realm get really circular, really fast. Nah, don't see it lasting through the courts.

Go Vols!
 
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Okie said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the new NIL clearinghouse is not a part of the ncaa. I think it's a stand alone organization that is about to find out it is as neutered as the ncaa.
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It's contracted by the NCAA and it works for the NCAA.
 
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I wonder what ever happened to that Wisconsin(?) player who was earning money outside of school for a song that he wrote?
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
You saw at least one. We all did. The Moonshine Mountain Cookie Company, or whatever they were called, and their deal with first Alontae Taylor, then Bru McCoy. Every interception (Alontae) or touchdown (Bru) wins all fans two free cookies, that deal? Yah, that was one of the first value-added NIL deals for our program, I think. Guess it will go again this year with some new player.


p.s. I don't think this new direction will survive the courts. Who is this new agency to say what methods of valuing a players name, image and likeness are more valid than others? If I want to pay a young man to come sign autographs, and invite the fans to pay an entry fee to show up as well, is that "just gathering money to pay for the player to be in the program? Or is there inherent value for the fans sharing time with the lads? How much value? That's up to the people paying for a ticket to decide. Right? Capitalism at work?

In a day and age where people will happily pay hundreds of dollars for a single game ticket, who is to say it's not really worth it to them to pay hundreds to spend time with a star player and get photos with him and some signatures on merch? How can they possibly argue the only purpose of those gatherings is to earn money to pay the kid to play for that team?

Arguments in this realm get really circular, really fast. Nah, don't see it lasting through the courts.

Go Vols!
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Never saw that one down here in Memphis but I did hear about it. I’m sure that some would pass muster but I’m betting 90% of the “deals” didn’t meet the original criteria. I do agree with you though. Don’t think the new one idea will survive the courts.
 
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Delmar said:
Agree. But that money is nowhere close to the money we are talking about now. And they are still getting everything you mentioned in addition to the NIL. This pay for play is a different kettle of fish. And it mostly smells like day old sardines that have been left in the sun.
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Most kids are out of state. For a dad who just paid for 6 years for one kid and 4 years for the other kid at UT out of state tuition. Go calculate it and tell me it ain’t substantial. Yes NIL is on top but all of these out of state kids have already receiving over 200k of benefit to get a sheepskin for those who chose to realize they are part of the 99% that will not go to the NFL.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Most kids are out of state. For a dad who just paid for 6 years for one kid and 4 years for the other kid at UT out of state tuition. Go calculate it and tell me it ain’t substantial. Yes NIL is on top but all of these out of state kids have already receiving over 200k of benefit to get a sheepskin for those who chose to realize they are part of the 99% that will not go to the NFL.
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Sure the scholarship deals were/are substantial. (I paid for two as well-one at UTK and one out of state-so I know what it’s worth.) But that’s not the subject of the discussion. It’s nice to wish for the old days but they aren’t coming back. These athletes are going to get paid one way or the other and many are going to get paid a whole lot more than $200K. The challenge will be for someone to get some semblance of control in the system. And I have no idea what that’s going to be.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
It is just BS, if I am willing to pay 100k for Lance Heard to swing by my 60th birthday party who is to say that is not valid?

If that’s valid, why is it not valid for me to give the vol club 1k a year to go to meet and greet with players or to get signed pictures?

No difference in both cases the player is selling their Name, Image and Likeness and it both cases it is what the buyer is willing to pay.
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Saying which financial transactions are and aren't ok is pretty much the basis of civilization.

I have no idea if this commission will succeed. But "wild west" periods all have one thing in common, they end.
 
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Delmar said:
Absolutely. NIL has been nothing but pay for play. Not sure I ever saw a single ad or commercial featuring a college athlete. Maybe one or two showing up at a business but that’s about it.
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How quickly we forget the Chase McGrath Salsarita’s and Cooper Mays Aubrey’s ads.

Dr Pepper did some national ads with guys like Ewers and Bryce Young.
 
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I'm no lawyer, but I think these people have no chance without some sort of Federal Government intervention to make the NCAA a regulated monopoly.

I sort of agree with JCHateSteve that it has to end, and I assume the NCAA does too along with all the AD's in the whole country. They are trying to end it under conditions different from the natural ending. The natural ending would be where the ratings collapse due to donor fatigue and rich player insanity/motivation issues.
 
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Delmar said:
Agree. But that money is nowhere close to the money we are talking about now. And they are still getting everything you mentioned in addition to the NIL. This pay for play is a different kettle of fish. And it mostly smells like day old sardines that have been left in the sun.
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That's just the market value increase because it's above the table now. The concept is still: pay to play.

Market economics just is what it is. Sometimes the black market value is more but sometimes the open market value is more.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
... why is it not valid for me to give the vol club 1k a year to go to meet and greet with players or to get signed pictures?
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In one instance, the "vol club" paid a QB $8M for NIL and he didn't fulfill his obligation, failing to show up for multiple public appearances, so he should have to give the money back.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
It is just BS, if I am willing to pay 100k for Lance Heard to swing by my 60th birthday party who is to say that is not valid?

If that’s valid, why is it not valid for me to give the vol club 1k a year to go to meet and greet with players or to get signed pictures?

No difference in both cases the player is selling their Name, Image and Likeness and it both cases it is what the buyer is willing to pay.
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You are really gonna do that? Must be nice.
 
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TheDeeble said:
At least they didn't wait around to get it started. Let the lawsuits commence!



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Commission rejecting some athlete NIL deals

The new agency in charge of regulating name, image, likeness deals in college sports sent a letter to schools Thursday saying it had rejected deals between players and donor-backed collectives formed over the past several years.
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Saban trying to get Bama back to cheating with impunity and with enforcement targeting his rivals.
 
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LAVol1 said:
In one instance, the "vol club" paid a QB $8M for NIL and he didn't fulfill his obligation, failing to show up for multiple public appearances, so he should have to give the money back.
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The NCAA can certainly make sure that the player has to actually do something to get the 8m but saying that 8m is not more valid for the QB appearances vs appearances for the 12th string QB getting 5k will be subjective and just lead to the courthouse
 
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