New and Improved Tolerance from the Liberal Socialist Left

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Velo Vol said:
Such as they do in which country?
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Good point. It's one that goes a long way in explaining the disaster and costs that is medicine in other countries where the government controls health care. In my business I talk to the Brits all the time, and they constantly remind me how efficient the NHS is :). Most people just can't figure out why health care is so expensive. They also can't figure out why college has become so expensive. I'd be willing to bet these same morons believe the average family going to save $2,500 a year on premiums with the ACA.
 
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Velo Vol said:
This cannot be true. Insurance companies exist to keep people healthy, not to make money.
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Insurance companies exist to make money. Everyone in private business exists to make money. The profit motive (e.g., making money) is what makes them affordable and efficient. They have to be or they wouldn't exist. Insurance companies have no responsibility to ensure people are healthy. People have responsibility, not business or government.
 
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Gannon Goodson said:
You missed the point. We didn't have a free market in health care before the ACA; that's why your wife got the proverbial shaft. That wouldn't have happened in a free market because of the consequences. The "private" insurance company you speak of was already heavily regulated and subsidized by government. Government involvement in medicine makes diabetes treatment more expensive. Your wife shouldn't need the insurance company to treat a somewhat common medical condition. In the free market it would be cheap and get cheaper every year.
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I normally respect your post but you think for one second the free market would make insurance cheap and get cheaper every year you are living in a fantasy world.
 
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Gramps said:
I normally respect your post but you think for one second the free market would make insurance cheap and get cheaper every year you are living in a fantasy world.
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Pass national tort reform and take the fences down that are around state lines and see how fast health insurance rates drop.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Pass national tort reform and take the fences down that are around state lines and see how fast health insurance rates drop.
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One can do that and the greed to make money will continue to increase rates. Insurance companies are in business to make money. The bottom line is all that matters. They will do everything legally possible to increase profits, as business should. When they have legally been able to drop policyholders because they became sick is bad business. That is one of the very few things the ACA has done that was desperately needed. Sometimes government regulations are needed at the same time regulations can go to extremes as they do in many cases. It is a thin line of government doing the right thing or crossing the line.
 
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utvolpj said:
when has a huge increase in competition resulted in an increase in costs/price?
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Pj. You are a smart guy. Look around. Costs have continually been going up in many fields with a tremendous amount of competition.
 
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Gramps said:
Pj. You are a smart guy. Look around. Costs have continually been going up in many fields with a tremendous amount of competition.
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and why is that? I'm not aware of any model showing increased competition = increased costs? When I was on the road as a salesman I absolutely knew more people trying to get the business meant my prices were going to be lower
 
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utvolpj said:
and why is that? I'm not aware of any model showing increased competition = increased costs?
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You are trolling this morning pj.. you know better.

Other than some technology fields, what fields have prices gone down?
 
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Gramps said:
You are trolling this morning pj.. you know better.

Other than some technology fields, what fields have prices gone down?
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but that has nothing to do with increased competition. Are you really saying that if 3 competitors moved in directly next door to you that you would be forced to raise your prices?
 
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utvolpj said:
but that has nothing to do with increased competition. Are you really saying that if 3 competitors moved in directly next door to you that you would raise your prices?
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It would depend . I am in the transportation business. We are seeing more competition and yes our rates have increased drastically. Contrary to what many on VN says our economy has improved and demand is more than I have saw it in 7 years. Competition does not always lower prices, that is fact. There are some competitors that work together to increase prices of course I sure you have never heard of such a thing
 
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utvolpj said:
but that has nothing to do with increased competition. Are you really saying that if 3 competitors moved in directly next door to you that you would be forced to raise your prices?
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No,........At least 2 would go out of business.
 
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Gramps said:
It would depend . I am in the transportation business. We are seeing more competition and yes our rates have increased drastically. Contrary to what many on VN says our economy has improved and demand is more than I have saw it in 7 years. Competition does not always lower prices, that is fact. There are some competitors that work together to increase prices of course I sure you have never heard of such a thing
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Prices in the transportation industry is going up from regulation gramps.
 
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Obsessed said:
Prices in the transportation industry is going up from regulation gramps.
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There are a number of reasons freight rates have gone up. Some of the regulations are ridiculous and have crossed the line but there are several more factors that have caused increases in rate.
 
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Gramps said:
I normally respect your post but you think for one second the free market would make insurance cheap and get cheaper every year you are living in a fantasy world.
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And 50+ years of government intervention in medicine and health insurance has created great results...

Why not try free markets? See if it works. Everything else gets cheaper with free markets.
 
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Obsessed said:
Prices in the transportation industry is going up from regulation gramps.
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This...

What led to the rapid downfall of Southeastern Tours? On October 14, 2013, the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA), a federal agency, ordered the company to cease operations on the grounds that it was a hazard to public safety. Southeastern Tours had never been involved in a serious accident, but during a three-day audit in August, FMCSA inspectors found, among other things, that its drivers filled out their logs incorrectly, that the Rodgers failed to provide their employees with educational materials, and that they allowed a former driver to get back behind the wheel before waiting for the results of his alcohol and drug tests. (They came back negative.)
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The Government
 
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Gramps said:
What has got cheaper?
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Well, I asked you first, but in terms of real wages, almost everything. Food, computers, TVs, cell phones, etc.

What has become more expensive with more competition...or better said, what has not become cheaper with more competition?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Well, I asked you first, but in terms of real wages, almost everything. Food, computers, TVs, cell phones, etc.

What has become more expensive with more competition...or better said, what has not become cheaper with more competition?
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Food is cheaper?
You haven't been to a grocery store lately.

I stated earlier in this thread other than the technology field almost everything has gone up. Technology includes computers, Tv's and cell phones.

Now you are changing from free markets which was your original argument to competition.
Are you arguing free market or competition ?
 
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Gramps said:
Food is cheaper?
You haven't been to a grocery store lately.

I stated earlier in this thread other than the technology field almost everything has gone up. Technology includes computers, Tv's and cell phones.

Now you are changing from free markets which was your original argument to competition.
Are you arguing free market or competition ?
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In terms of real wages, yes it is.

Free market and competition are essentially synonyms.

Technology is applied in every field so it makes everything cheaper. A doctor's education is considered economically to be technology. All the computers they use, x-rays, etc. The whole medical field is based on technology so why isn't it getting cheaper? The x-ray machine was invented 120 years ago and it's crazy expensive to get a scan today. If you had to buy VCRs under a model like our government controlled healthcare market, you better believe they would be expensive as well.
 
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n_huffhines said:
In terms of real wages, yes it is.

Free market and competition are essentially synonyms.

Technology is applied in every field so it makes everything cheaper. A doctor's education is considered economically to be technology. All the computers they use, x-rays, etc. The whole medical field is based on technology so why isn't it getting cheaper? The x-ray machine was invented 120 years ago and it's crazy expensive to get a scan today. If you had to buy VCRs under a model like our government controlled healthcare market, you better believe they would be expensive as well.
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With all due respect, you need to crawl out from under the rock the you evidently have been living under and join the real world.
 
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Gramps said:
It would depend . I am in the transportation business. We are seeing more competition and yes our rates have increased drastically. Contrary to what many on VN says our economy has improved and demand is more than I have saw it in 7 years. Competition does not always lower prices, that is fact. There are some competitors that work together to increase prices of course I sure you have never heard of such a thing
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And what's driving up the cost in the transportation industry? Fuel and labor.
 
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