New ‘Medicare-for-all’ bill would largely outlaw private insurance

[McDad]

Both my mother and father are on Medicare and neither have any issues and seem to get excellent care.

I hope they do not need long term care. If they do, i hope as an attorney you have methods to shield their assets from confiscation.

If not, I wonder if you will change your mind.

 

[VolStrom]

I don't have a problem with the government offering Medicare to more people if they offered it as a paid option for the folks that don't have insurance through an employer. The problem comes in when employers decide to just cancel their insurance plans.
Nothing is ever easy when the .gov is involved.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

I read something that said the only people more excited than Democrats to have Medicare for All debated were Republicans. Lol.

 

[0nelilreb]

Both my mother and father are on Medicare and neither have any issues and seem to get excellent care.

Do they have any serious medical conditions ( I hope they do not ) . My dad did and his experience wasn’t as good as your mom and dads is

 

[hog88]

Both my mother and father are on Medicare and neither have any issues and seem to get excellent care.

Both of my parents and my mother in law are on Medicare, my mother in laws doctor has stopped accepting new Medicare patients. The Dr me and my wife go to stopped taking new Medicare patients over a year ago.

Fewer doctors are opting out of Medicare

 

[hog88]

I hope they do not need long term care. If they do, i hope as an attorney you have methods to shield their assets from confiscation.

If not, I wonder if you will change your mind.

Make sure they put all of their assets in a trust or you "buy" them 5 years before they need long term care.

 

[VolStrom]

Do they have any serious medical conditions ( I hope they do not ) . My dad did and his experience wasn’t as good as your mom and dads is

My dad was pretty sick towards the end of his life and ended up in a nursing home before he died. A trip to the estate lawyer a couple of years before he went in pretty much made my father an indigent and my mother comfortable. My dad got the same crappy care in a nursing home everyone does and it didn't bankrupt my mother.
I don't care what anyone says, unless you're stinking rich a nursing home will wipe you out in short order.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

My dad was pretty sick towards the end of his life and ended up in a nursing home before he died. A trip to the estate lawyer a couple of years before he went in pretty much made my father an indigent and my mother comfortable. My dad got the same crappy care in a nursing home everyone does and it didn't bankrupt my mother.
I don't care what anyone says, unless you're stinking rich a nursing home will wipe you out in short order.

My grandma was in one, we got her one of those digital picture frames for her room. She wouldn’t put it out because she said people would steal it. She said the nurses were stealing money from her. We thought she was just getting a little paranoid. Then my aunt put some money in a place my grandma couldn’t get to and the next time she went back it was gone. They caught several of the staff stealing from residents. You have to have a mental problem to be bad to old people you don’t even know. But they get away with lots of abuse because people think they’re relatives are just paranoid.

 

[tumscalcium]

Both of my parents and my mother in law are on Medicare, my mother in laws doctor has stopped accepting new Medicare patients. The Dr me and my wife go to stopped taking new Medicare patients over a year ago.

Fewer doctors are opting out of Medicare

Medicare pays the docs far less than normal insurance.

 

[hog88]

Medicare pays the docs far less than normal insurance.

That and the paperwork hassle.

 

[tumscalcium]

That and the paperwork hassle.

Oh yeah.

 

[luthervol]

Well we spend more per capita than they do on health care, so go ahead and drop this fantasy.

We do indeed.
www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-relative-size-wealth-u-s-spends-disproportionate-amount-health

You should at least check out the first two graphs.

As would be expected, wealthy countries like the U.S., tend to spend more per person on health care and related expenses than lower income countries. However, even as a high income country, the U.S. spends more per person on health than comparable countries. Health spending per person in the U.S. was $10,224 in 2017, which was 28% higher than Switzerland, the next highest per capita spender.

The average amount spent on health per person in comparable countries ($5,280) is roughly half that of the U.S. ($10,224).

If we spent the same as the average comparable country we would save $1,800,000,000,000 per year. That's one trillion, eight hundred billion dollars. But hey, at least we have one of the lowest life expediencies.

 

[0nelilreb]

Make sure they put all of their assets in a trust or you "buy" them 5 years before they need long term care.

My dad sold everything he had to me with a right to live clause . In the state of Tennessee it was pretty easily done . You are correct it must be 5 years to make sure they can’t go back and take it .

 

[DancingOutlaw]

We do indeed.
www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-relative-size-wealth-u-s-spends-disproportionate-amount-health

You should at least check out the first two graphs.

As would be expected, wealthy countries like the U.S., tend to spend more per person on health care and related expenses than lower income countries. However, even as a high income country, the U.S. spends more per person on health than comparable countries. Health spending per person in the U.S. was $10,224 in 2017, which was 28% higher than Switzerland, the next highest per capita spender.

The average amount spent on health per person in comparable countries ($5,280) is roughly half that of the U.S. ($10,224).

If we spent the same as the average comparable country we would save $1,800,000,000,000 per year. That's one trillion, eight hundred billion dollars. But hey, at least we have one of the lowest life expediencies.

Our healthcare system is not the reason our life expectancy lags. Our lifestyle and diet does that. We are fat, we don’t exercise, and we take a pill for everything. You can “cure” Type 2 diabetes by eating right and exercising. But people would rather take insulin and complain. Easily fixed chronic conditions cost us hundreds of billions a year.

 

[Mick]

The socialist liberals & socialist conservatives love a high cost model for healthcare. Greater access combined with increasing costs is idiotic. No wonder the ruling class is for it.

The healthcare industry is like a giant conglomerate union.

 

[McDad]

We do indeed.
www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/health-spending-u-s-compare-countries/#item-relative-size-wealth-u-s-spends-disproportionate-amount-health

You should at least check out the first two graphs.

As would be expected, wealthy countries like the U.S., tend to spend more per person on health care and related expenses than lower income countries. However, even as a high income country, the U.S. spends more per person on health than comparable countries. Health spending per person in the U.S. was $10,224 in 2017, which was 28% higher than Switzerland, the next highest per capita spender.

The average amount spent on health per person in comparable countries ($5,280) is roughly half that of the U.S. ($10,224).

If we spent the same as the average comparable country we would save $1,800,000,000,000 per year. That's one trillion, eight hundred billion dollars. But hey, at least we have one of the lowest life expediencies.

So, providing more access which increases charges is going to reduce what we spend per capita?

 

[McDad]

The healthcare industry is like a giant conglomerate union.

It is an unholy alliance between politicians, pharmaceuticals and advertisement to say the least.

 

[C-south]

The healthcare industry is like a giant conglomerate union.

It works fine if you work and have good insurance.

 

[VolStrom]

My grandma was in one, we got her one of those digital picture frames for her room. She wouldn’t put it out because she said people would steal it. She said the nurses were stealing money from her. We thought she was just getting a little paranoid. Then my aunt put some money in a place my grandma couldn’t get to and the next time she went back it was gone. They caught several of the staff stealing from residents. You have to have a mental problem to be bad to old people you don’t even know. But they get away with lots of abuse because people think they’re relatives are just paranoid.

My sister bought a 20" tube TV (state of the art in the day) for my dad to put in his room. In one of his many trips to the hospital it was stolen. I hope I never meet the fate that my father did, but I'm sure I will.

 

[hog88]

My dad sold everything he had to me with a right to live clause . In the state of Tennessee it was pretty easily done . You are correct it must be 5 years to make sure they can’t go back and take it .

Me and my brothers "bought" the farm from my parents a few years ago.

 

[Mick]

It is an unholy alliance between politicians, pharmaceuticals and advertisement to say the least.

The pros to keeping it intact are 401k's and retirement accounts and the economy it props up.

 

[hog88]

So, providing more access which increases charges is going to reduce what we spend per capita?

No but cutting what doctors can charge, limiting access to specialist, diagnostics and medication will.

 

[Mick]

It works fine if you work and have good insurance.

So you don't feel like you're paying too much? You and volstrom must be the only people.

 

[BeecherVol]

So you don't feel like you're paying too much? You and volstorm must be the only people.

Is that akin to saying my parents dont have any problems with Medicare thus it's obvious no one else does or could?

 

[BeecherVol]

It is an unholy alliance between politicians, pharmaceuticals and advertisement to say the least.

Exactly.

The politicians are gonna get it better this time tho.