New ‘Medicare-for-all’ bill would largely outlaw private insurance

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C-south said:
How many inventions or medical breakthroughs are given away?
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Who knows. I never said they should be given away. We went to the moon without an overriding profit motive. Some people are intrinsically motivated. People don't climb Mt. Everest for a profit.
 
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luthervol said:
Who knows. I never said they should be given away. We went to the moon without an overriding profit motive. Some people are intrinsically motivated. People don't climb Mt. Everest for a profit.
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WTH does anything you say have to do with healthcare companies working for a profit? That’s what they are, a business. Whether you think they should be or not is completely irrelevant to what the reality is.
 
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luthervol said:
Who knows. I never said they should be given away. We went to the moon without an overriding profit motive. Some people are intrinsically motivated. People don't climb Mt. Everest for a profit.
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Just like how you post with no rhyme or reason..
 
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C-south said:
WTH does anything you say have to do with healthcare companies working for a profit? That’s what they are, a business. Whether you think they should be or not is completely irrelevant to what the reality is.
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I think that's the whole debate isn't it? Whether you think it should be or not is completely irrelevant to what the reality is.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
Just like how you post with no rhyme or reason..
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I guess there's a point to that post?

How were we able to make it to the moon (assuming you believe we actually did) without a driving profit motive?
 
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luthervol said:
I guess there's a point to that post?

How were we able to make it to the moon (assuming you believe we actually did) without a driving profit motive?
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What does that have to do with health care?
 
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hog88 said:
There are for profit guide services for Mt Everest and yes there are professional climbers that make money from climbing mountains.
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I don't care if they make money climbing mountains. That's great. Nobody climbs mountains to make money. They make money by climbing mountains.
 
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luthervol said:
I don't care if they make money climbing mountains. That's great. Nobody climbs mountains to make money. They make money by climbing mountains.
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So would you support limiting the amount of money they can make the same as you would a pharmaceutical or medical device company?
 
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hog88 said:
So would you support limiting the amount of money they can make the same as you would a pharmaceutical or medical device company?
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Nope. I don't put mountain climbing and health care in the same category. I view one as a tad more important on a societal scale.
 
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USMC-TNVOL said:
Of course it is paid through taxes, but they don’t usually pay much out of pocket if at all after that because their coverage is much better. We pay our premiums and then pay for every visit and rx usually on top of that.

Here's why many prescription drugs in the US cost so much—and it's not innovation or improvement

Those countries actually negotiate costs at a national level and I highly doubt they are being sold at a loss. If it were such a burden to negotiate costs and they had to jack up costs in the U.S. to offset, these companies would not be making such large profit margins. Epipens were a prime example of the b.s. we deal with these companies. The price did not match the costs to make so they came out with coupons to make it slightly cheaper cause they knew they were in the wrong.
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even with the ACA jump in costs my medical expenses don't come anywhere close to the extra 20% they are paying in taxes. no where close. my health care costs are about 5% of my income, the vast majority of that is just coverage. but I am healthy.

we spend more, because we use more. you don't fix the issue on the back end. We will ALWAYS be chasing the cost of health coverage, always.

if you really wanted to make people healthier and cut down their medical costs you would incentivize exercise, being outside, and eating healthy. most of what we spend money on is manageable just with a change in life style. No need to screw the healthy with increased costs or taxes on a system that just makes things worse.
 
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I've been reading this argument about Pharma companies and want to interject something. Some drugs are only made by one company so they have a monopoly on that drug. At what point do they get to quit charging whatever they want? What if that drug cures some bone disease that you have and they want $40k a dose and your copay is $8k a dose and you don't have $8k? Is it F you see ya, come back when you have the money?
I'm all for companies making a profit and they should, but excessive profit at the expense of someones health I don't.
 
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luthervol said:
Education, social services, correctional, interstate/highways, judicial, parks and rec.
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education: have you seen what universities charge? seen the switch to charter schools, and private?
SS: not sure what all you want to include in this, but I fail to see where any money is made at all here.
Correctional: we unfortunately have for profit prisons in this country
roads: toll roads are popping up all over, and you see the "PeachPass, SunPass" lanes showing up every where.
the rest aren't money makers at all and are just huge drains on the system.
 
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VolStrom said:
I've been reading this argument about Pharma companies and want to interject something. Some drugs are only made by one company so they have a monopoly on that drug. At what point do they get to quit charging whatever they want? What if that drug cures some bone disease that you have and they want $40k a dose and your copay is $8k a dose and you don't have $8k? Is it F you see ya, come back when you have the money?
I'm all for companies making a profit and they should, but excessive profit at the expense of someones health I don't.
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not sure what to do with the company. but the answer can't be to take the money from neighbors, which is the way the government wants to take this.
 
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LouderVol said:
not sure what to do with the company. but the answer can't be to take the money from neighbors, which is the way the government wants to take this.
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I take a few medications that were initially prescribed to me as brand name drugs. Over the years they became generic drugs and my prescription was written to allow those. If you were to buy the generics outright it would cost more today than what the original brand names used to cost. Tell me there is not a disconnect here somewhere? I didn't say tax someone else more, I want to know why they are charging so much.
 
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luthervol said:
Nope. I don't put mountain climbing and health care in the same category. I view one as a tad more important on a societal scale.
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Who else do you deem so important that we need to limit what they can make?
 
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VolStrom said:
I've been reading this argument about Pharma companies and want to interject something. Some drugs are only made by one company so they have a monopoly on that drug. At what point do they get to quit charging whatever they want? What if that drug cures some bone disease that you have and they want $40k a dose and your copay is $8k a dose and you don't have $8k? Is it F you see ya, come back when you have the money?
I'm all for companies making a profit and they should, but excessive profit at the expense of someones health I don't.
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How do feel about a heat and air guy refusing to fix a heat pump in the dead of winter for someone who can’t pay?
 
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VolStrom said:
I've been reading this argument about Pharma companies and want to interject something. Some drugs are only made by one company so they have a monopoly on that drug. At what point do they get to quit charging whatever they want? What if that drug cures some bone disease that you have and they want $40k a dose and your copay is $8k a dose and you don't have $8k? Is it F you see ya, come back when you have the money?
I'm all for companies making a profit and they should, but excessive profit at the expense of someones health I don't.
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If enough people can’t afford the drug to make a profit they will change their price. What is a fair price for a drug that saves your life?
 
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hog88 said:
How do feel about a heat and air guy refusing to fix a heat pump in the dead of winter for someone who can’t pay?
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I have no problem with that. You can put on a coat or cover up in a blanket, just ask the homeless vets what they do?
 
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