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508mikey said:
some good news I hope Trump, during Fox News coronavirus townhall, calls for re-opening economy by Easter: ‘We have to get back to work’
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I'm sorry, mikey, but I don't see this as good news. Presently, we are seeing covid-19 cases increasing at an increasing rate. There are no facts, statistics, or even projections which depict a favorable scenario for the course of infections to be declining by Easter.

I can foresee no better outcome by advising everyone to resume activity as if there were no coronavirus infection risk. Contrarily, I see a worse outcome. Just how much better off will we be with thousands or hundreds of thousands of people sick? Will we be back-to-work, or will so many people fall ill that business cannot be conducted for lack of resources? How will it be when critical personnel in the healthcare industry are themselves sick on such a scale that there aren't enough people to run the hospitals overflowing with critically sick patients? How will it be when there are not enough EMTs to man the available ambulances? Not enough cops to work the shifts? Not enough firemen to respond to fires? Not enough garbagemen to collect and process the garbage? Not enough able-bodied power & light workers? electrical workers? telecom workers? Pilots? Deliverymen? Not enough workers to collect the dead from within their households or on the streets? Not enough hale National Guardsmen to fill the gaps or keep order?

Yeah, I can foresee things getting much worse if we rush back into "business-as-usual" before we have a grip on the # of infected and the rate of infection. This isn't the cold or flu. It's a brand new virus to which humans are just now being exposed.
 
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Tin Man said:
I'm sorry, mikey, but I don't see this as good news. Presently, we are seeing covid-19 cases increasing at an increasing rate. There are no facts, statistics, or even projections which depict a favorable scenario for the course of infections to be declining by Easter.

I can foresee no better outcome by advising everyone to resume activity as if there were no coronavirus infection risk. Contrarily, I see a worse outcome. Just how much better off will we be with thousands or hundreds of thousands of people sick? Will we be back-to-work, or will so many people fall ill that business cannot be conducted for lack of resources? How will it be when critical personnel in the healthcare industry are themselves sick on such a scale that there aren't enough people to run the hospitals overflowing with critically sick patients? How will it be when there are not enough EMTs to man the available ambulances? Not enough cops to work the shifts? Not enough firemen to respond to fires? Not enough garbagemen to collect and process the garbage? Not enough able-bodied power & light workers? electrical workers? telecom workers? Pilots? Deliverymen? Not enough workers to collect the dead from within their households or on the streets? Not enough hale National Guardsmen to fill the gaps or keep order?

Yeah, I can foresee things getting much worse if we rush back into "business-as-usual" before we have a grip on the # of infected and the rate of infection. This isn't the cold or flu. It's a brand new virus to which humans are just now being exposed.
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If I could find Kiddie Docs post from a few days ago - his opinion on what should be done - it was perfect - it should have had 1000 likes
 
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#4,805
508mikey said:
If I could find Kiddie Docs post from a few days ago - his opinion on what should be done - it was perfect - it should have had 1000 likes
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If it’s the one I’m thinking of, he has changed a bit since then.

And most of us have, as we’ve seen the stats. If the curve continues (are hope it doesn’t), we’re on track to get at 100,000 cases by the end of the week, and if so, 200,000 by next midweek...

And it’s not so much the total cases (or even the deaths, in a way); it’s when the ones with serious cases hit the hospitals, tie up the beds - where do the heart attacks and car wrecks and chemo and childbirth with complications patients go - and the caregivers in the hospitals get sick and...

The impact on the economy is horrible. But what will the impact be if our healthcare system mostly collapses?
 
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VolNExile said:
If it’s the one I’m thinking of, he has changed a bit since then.

And most of us have, as we’ve seen the stats. If the curve continues (are hope it doesn’t), we’re on track to get at 100,000 cases by the end of the week, and if so, 200,000 by next midweek...

And it’s not so much the total cases (or even the deaths, in a way); it’s when the ones with serious cases hit the hospitals, tie up the beds - where do the heart attacks and car wrecks and chemo and childbirth with complications patients go - and the caregivers in the hospitals get sick and...

The impact on the economy is horrible. But what will the impact be if our healthcare system mostly collapses?
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He mainly was saying how it should have been done to begin with -- of course now its to late, but it made more sense, than what has happened, how its been handled
 
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508mikey said:
He mainly was saying how it should have been done to begin with -- of course now its to late, but it made more sense, than what has happened, how its been handled
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Right, thank you. I gave up on that thread and lost track of the useful posts. I have three others I follow on my other forum, and I can’t keep up with them either, other than the medical and epidemiological links there.

Part of me would welcome a loss of Internet for 24 hours or so. Sometimes it’s overwhelming, although I’ve picked up some useful stuff. Such as it never occurred to me that we really ought to have a thermometer, which we didn’t until USPS made its delivery yesterday (eBay, as they are not to be found in stores.) 🤪
 
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vollygirl said:
Yes, but it was what SHOULD have been done. We've got one foot in the boat and the other on the dock at this point.
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What a great metaphor.

And my reply, directed so often to others while driving in Knoxville: “Sh!t or get off the pot!”

Nervous hand-wringing and indecision just leads to the worst of both outcomes (public health and economic health.) Sometimes, instead of creeping cautiously up, you just have to rip off the bandaid.

We HAVE to preserve the US healthcare system (although I think it is a dreadful system.) And I would say that even if so many in our family had not been involved in medical disaster planning and emergency response.

There are some things that a society must have to function. Public safety (police and fire), healthcare (primary care, emergency care, ambulance services, acute hospital and long-term care), education, adequate nutrition, national defense (against threats, as opposed to preserving financial interests in other countries), protection of air, water, and soil; everything else is also important, but secondary to these basic societal and human needs.
 
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VolNExile said:
What a great metaphor.

And my reply, directed so often to others while driving in Knoxville: “Sh!t or get off the pot!”

Nervous hand-wringing and indecision just leads to the worst of both outcomes (public health and economic health.) Sometimes, instead of creeping cautiously up, you just have to rip off the bandaid.

We HAVE to preserve the US healthcare system (although I think it is a dreadful system.) And I would say that even if so many in our family had not been involved in medical disaster planning and emergency response.

There are some things that a society must have to function. Public safety (police and fire), healthcare (primary care, emergency care, ambulance services, acute hospital and long-term care), education, adequate nutrition, national defense (against threats, as opposed to preserving financial interests in other countries), protection of air, water, and soil; everything else is also important, but secondary to these basic societal and human needs.
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Girl, I had to go talk to two employees this afternoon who are trying to freak out, asking what happens if they are too scared to come in to work. In their early 30's. I said, "You want something to worry about? Figure out what you're gonna do during the tornados tonight." That may have been the wrong thing to say.
 
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vollygirl said:
Girl, I had to go talk to two employees this afternoon who are trying to freak out, asking what happens if they are too scared to come in to work. In their early 30's. I said, "You want something to worry about? Figure out what you're gonna do during the tornados tonight." That may have been the wrong thing to say.
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It has been so many years that people in the US have had to worry about DIRECT threats (virulent/easily-spread epidemics, invasion by foreign armies) that we’ve forgotten how to pull up our big-girl and big-boy britches and to take things on.

If there is anything useful out of all this, it might be to learn how to be 90% self-sufficient and how to learn to care enough about our neighbors to carry them along when needed.

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VolNExile said:
It has been so many years that people in the US have had to worry about DIRECT threats (virulent/easily-spread epidemics, invasion by foreign armies) that we’ve forgotten how to pull up our big-girl and big-boy britches and to take things on.

If there is anything useful out of all this, it might be to learn how to be 90% self-sufficient and how to learn to care enough about our neighbors to carry them along when needed.

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YES!!!
 
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vollygirl said:
YES!!!
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I should probably add, learn how to cook! I started trying to larn my kids from age 15 on, but they successfully resisted.

Now that they’re in their 30’s, 2 out of 3 have figured this out, but the third still has a budget line item for UberEats. smh 1585091113558.gif1585091118292.gif1585091121766.gif

#leadinghorsetowater
 
#4,819
#4,819
VolNExile said:
I should probably add, learn how to cook! I started trying to larn my kids from age 15 on, but they successfully resisted.

Now that they’re in their 30’s, 2 out of 3 have figured this out, but the third still has a budget line item for UberEats. smh View attachment 268061View attachment 268062View attachment 268063

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Both my boys cook. My oldest came over Saturday and brought his smoker, and smoked two whole chickens. I sent the kids home with leftovers. The next day, he sends me a pic of the chicken leftovers I sent home with him....beside the page in a cookbook my church did with my mom's recipe for a casserole using chicken.

I. Lost. It.
 
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I taught my son to cook at an early age, and thank goodness I did. My daughter-in-law hates to. My brother does all the cooking in his household. I remember when early in my brother’s marriage, he asked me to show his bride how to cook a turkey. I went through all the steps, from removing the innards to seasoning and temp. She watched patiently up to cleaning the bird, and told me “I don’t care what you show me, I’m never putting my hand inside that thing” I said “fair enough” and sent her to the living room.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
I taught my son to cook at an early age, and thank goodness I did. My daughter-in-law hates to. My brother does all the cooking in his household. I remember when early in my brother’s marriage, he asked me to show his bride how to cook a turkey. I went through all the steps, from removing the innards to seasoning and temp. She watched patiently up to cleaning the bird, and told me “I don’t care what you show me, I’m never putting my hand inside that thing” I said “fair enough” and sent her to the living room.
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😂😂😂
 
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But I love food! We have taught the girls well, they occasionally cook instead of my wife on days I work.
 
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