Never Say Never...

#51
#51
wmcovol said:
They’re coming back to the pack alittle but most here can’t see it. Their OL and defense arent all that special. The big difference makers they have are at WR. I could see them losing to LSU maybe Auburn, definitely Ga.

They’ll most likely beat Tennessee as bad as they want but I don’t think this Alabama team is as dominant as recent teams.
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Definitely not as physical. They also are playing less disciplined this year.
 
#52
#52
bamawriter said:
The play ended with Bama on offense.
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Are you really that stupid? It doesn’t matter that “bama recovered the ball”. The play was UT attempting the FG. Therefore, UT was the offensive team and, following a penalty on the defense, regardless of the outcome of the play, would have been given one additional untimed down 15 yards closer to the end zone. As far as my original question, your username says it all - so “Yes” you are that stupid.
 
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Volrocketman said:
Are you really that stupid? It doesn’t matter that “bama recovered the ball”. The play was UT attempting the FG. Therefore, UT was the offensive team and, following a penalty on the defense, regardless of the outcome of the play, would have been given one additional untimed down 15 yards closer to the end zone. As far as my original question, your username says it all - so “Yes” you are that stupid.
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The rule was literally just posted, and yet you are arguing the opposite of what it says.
 
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bamawriter said:
The rule was literally just posted, and yet you are arguing the opposite of what it says.
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Obviously you don’t have the sense God gave a doughnut hole. The rule states that if team “B” (in this case bama, which was on defense for the FG attempt) commits the penalty, this results in an automatic 1st down for team A. A game or period cannot end on a defensive penalty so the offense is allowed to run one more untimed down. Good grief, why am I arguing with a fence post.

And while we’re at it, how lame does one have to be to join a fan forum for a rival team just so they can pi$$ on everyone’s parade. I’m a proud alumnus of UT who’s been a Vol fan for as long as I can remember, and I would never, ever consider joining a fan site for a rival team, to get my jollies or otherwise. You must really enjoy it considering the fact I joined this site about 10 days before you did and this is only my 30th post, whereas you’re approaching your 20,000th. Seems to me someone needs to get a life.
 
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PulaskiVolFan said:
I think they will show up. Taylor, Thompson and Warrior are 3 pretty good ballplayers all with pro potential and I think Jackson is gonna be a good one. Flowers is a loss and I'm sure we'll look bad on the back end some but I think the secondary could have a decent day Sat. Besides, Alabama is a bunch of cheating commies!!
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Warriors has had one good game in two years and now he has pro potential?
 
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Evergrenevol said:
In 2009, Tennessee’s new head coach Lane Kiffin came to Knoxville spitting piss and vinegar. He brought with him Monte Kiffin, Jim Chaney, Ed Orgeron, Frank Wilson and Lance Thompson who were considered some of the best coaches in college football.
Alabama was fielding a highly talented, veteran team picked to finish in the top 10. Tennessee’s roster wasn’t the most talented bunch, but they played with heart, confidence and exceptional effort. The VOLS started a senior QB who hadn’t shown much during his career, an offensive line that started two undersized, walk-on brothers, and a middle linebacker who was 5-9 190 lbs.

This Tennessee team stood toe to toe with Alabama for the entire game, only to have the potential winning field goal blocked by the Crimson Tide in the final seconds. The VOLS lost that day 12-10. Alabama went on to win the National Championship that year.

I hope our Coaching staff, fans and players remember this....... Never say Never. GO VOLS!

After further review: The game film shows that the Alabama defensive tackle ran over the Tennessee center on the last play of the game. According to the NCAA Rule book, that is a penalty. Immediately after the final second ticked off..the referees that day were already running for the tunnel....
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This again? Feel like the same thing last year
 
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#58
PEPPERJAX said:
I am not so sure about that. Go back and look at the amount of talent bama had on defense alone and get back to me. Also, Trent Richardson & Mark Ingram were in the same backfield.
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What u said and
Eddie Lacy too.

Also, IIRC, T. Cody took his helmet off directly after he blocked the kick but not before the clock expired back in 2009 But they didn't call it - but whatever. Go Vols - Beat Bama
 
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Volrocketman said:
Obviously you don’t have the sense God gave a doughnut hole. The rule states that if team “B” (in this case bama, which was on defense for the FG attempt) commits the penalty, this results in an automatic 1st down for team A. A game or period cannot end on a defensive penalty so the offense is allowed to run one more untimed down. Good grief, why am I arguing with a fence post.
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Read it again, and read it in order. Don't skip around.

It says "15 yards from the succeeding spot." For Tennessee to maintain possession following this hypothetical penalty, they would have needed to have possession at the succeeding spot.

And while we’re at it, how lame does one have to be to join a fan forum for a rival team just so they can pi$$ on everyone’s parade. I’m a proud alumnus of UT who’s been a Vol fan for as long as I can remember, and I would never, ever consider joining a fan site for a rival team, to get my jollies or otherwise. You must really enjoy it considering the fact I joined this site about 10 days before you did and this is only my 30th post, whereas you’re approaching your 20,000th. Seems to me someone needs to get a life.
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And you've reached the last gasp of the failed argument. You got there quicker than I figured you would.
 
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#60
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The way this current Alabama team plays offense, we will need Tua to throw it to the wrong team a few times in order to have a chance.
 
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Evergrenevol said:
In 2009, Tennessee’s new head coach Lane Kiffin came to Knoxville spitting piss and vinegar. He brought with him Monte Kiffin, Jim Chaney, Ed Orgeron, Frank Wilson and Lance Thompson who were considered some of the best coaches in college football.
Alabama was fielding a highly talented, veteran team picked to finish in the top 10. Tennessee’s roster wasn’t the most talented bunch, but they played with heart, confidence and exceptional effort. The VOLS started a senior QB who hadn’t shown much during his career, an offensive line that started two undersized, walk-on brothers, and a middle linebacker who was 5-9 190 lbs.

This Tennessee team stood toe to toe with Alabama for the entire game, only to have the potential winning field goal blocked by the Crimson Tide in the final seconds. The VOLS lost that day 12-10. Alabama went on to win the National Championship that year.

I hope our Coaching staff, fans and players remember this....... Never say Never. GO VOLS!

After further review: The game film shows that the Alabama defensive tackle ran over the Tennessee center on the last play of the game. According to the NCAA Rule book, that is a penalty. Immediately after the final second ticked off..the referees that day were already running for the tunnel....
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So your example is a game that Tennessee lost. And that was a 7-6 Tennessee team. This is not a 7-6 team and I’m guaranteeing a Tennessee loss this weekend.
 
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#62
#62
Remy said:
It's why you show up and play the game. You never can tell what happens during the course of a game.
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I have a pretty good idea of what’s gonna happen, but, you’re right. Show up, play hard, knock somebody off the ball and let the chips fall where they may!
GBO!!
 
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bamawriter said:
Read it again, and read it in order. Don't skip around.

It says "15 yards from the succeeding spot." For Tennessee to maintain possession following this hypothetical penalty, they would have needed to have possession at the succeeding spot.
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I hate to say it but this is correct. A field goal is a scrimmage kick and follows similar rules of a punt or kickoff. It’s a change of possession play so penalties that take place after the ball passes the line of scrimmage don’t void the change of possession. They are just applied to the first play of the next drive.

Think about a punt. If the receiving team runs into the punter right after he kicks it they give the kicking team 5 yards and let them redo the down. However if the receiving team is holding a member of the kicking team after the ball is kicked the receiving team is moved back 10 yards on the next drive, but keeps possession.

When Lincoln’s kick passed the line of scrimmage there were only 3 outcomes:
1. It goes through the uprights and UT gets 3 points.
2. It goes anywhere else and is Bama’s ball.
3. If still in the field of play, a UT player recovers it after a Bama player has touched it, giving UT a fresh set of downs.
 
#66
#66
The "never say never" attitude is fine. I like it even. What I've come to despise though is the sunshine pumping people who turn into "FAAAR PROOOIT" morons after the team fails to meet their unrealistic expectations.

I hope we win. My expectation is simple- the team should give it all they got and play as hard as they can learning along the way. If we lose- I get it. No worries. If we win...OOOOH BOY!

GBO!
 
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#67
#67
Dont let all this interesting argument about rules from a decade ago distract you from the fact that our war cry of never say never is being validated by a game we lost.

Opportunity is now here.
 
#70
#70
08Vol said:
When Lincoln’s kick passed the line of scrimmage there were only 3 outcomes:
1. It goes through the uprights and UT gets 3 points.
2. It goes anywhere else and is Bama’s ball.
3. If still in the field of play, a UT player recovers it after a Bama player has touched it, giving UT a fresh set of downs.
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In this case, I don't know that Bama needed to touch it first because it never crossed the line of scrimmage. It was a live ball for either team. However, even if UT recovered they still would not have had another snap because unsportsmanlike conduct is treated as a dead ball foul. So the result of the play stands, which in this case includes the end of the game. You can't get a postgame dead ball penalty.

Now, one could argue that Cody's helmet removal qualified as taunting. Taunting is treated as a live ball foul, and he certainly had it off before his teammate recovered the kick. Had taunting been called, UT could have had another crack at it. But, there are two problems with trying to make that argument: 1. calling what Cody did "taunting" is a bit of a stretch, and 2. the rule change that made taunting a live ball foul came before the 2011 season, thus making it irrelevant to the 2009 TSIO.
 
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#71
Evergrenevol said:
In 2009, Tennessee’s new head coach Lane Kiffin came to Knoxville spitting piss and vinegar. He brought with him Monte Kiffin, Jim Chaney, Ed Orgeron, Frank Wilson and Lance Thompson who were considered some of the best coaches in college football.
Alabama was fielding a highly talented, veteran team picked to finish in the top 10. Tennessee’s roster wasn’t the most talented bunch, but they played with heart, confidence and exceptional effort. The VOLS started a senior QB who hadn’t shown much during his career, an offensive line that started two undersized, walk-on brothers, and a middle linebacker who was 5-9 195 lbs.

This Tennessee team stood toe to toe with Alabama for the entire game, only to have the potential winning field goal blocked by the Crimson Tide in the final seconds. The VOLS lost that day 12-10. Alabama went on to win the National Championship that year.

I hope our Coaching staff, fans and players remember....... Never say Never!

GO VOLS!

After further review: The game film shows that the Alabama defensive tackle ran over the Tennessee center on the field goal attempt. According to the NCAA Rule book, that is a penalty. Immediately after the final second ticked off..the referees that day were already running for the tunnel....
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But we no longer have Lane, Monte and Coach O any more!!!!
 
#72
#72
I'm honestly a pretty hopeful person. I look at possibilities and try to find any path that could lead to success.

I just think that this year... the most reasonable answer is "never". Bama scores over 50 ppg... literally no one has slowed them down much less stopped them. UT thanks to a good MSU performance has climbed to 10th in the SEC in scoring D. Bama in an off year in scoring D is 4th. UT is 13th in scoring O.

Bama's lowest scoring game of the year was Duke- 42 points. UT has not scored 42 or more points since Mizzou in 2016.

They have talent and depth at every position. UT is still looking for talent and depth.

It would take an astronomically unlikely set of events for UT to keep this one close much less win it.
 
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sjt18 said:
I'm honestly a pretty hopeful person. I look at possibilities and try to find any path that could lead to success.

I just think that this year... the most reasonable answer is "never". Bama scores over 50 ppg... literally no one has slowed them down much less stopped them. UT thanks to a good MSU performance has climbed to 10th in the SEC in scoring D. Bama in an off year in scoring D is 4th. UT is 13th in scoring O.

Bama's lowest scoring game of the year was Duke- 42 points. UT has not scored 42 or more points since Mizzou in 2016.

They have talent and depth at every position. UT is still looking for talent and depth.

It would take an astronomically unlikely set of events for UT to keep this one close much less win it.
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Scored 45 against utc this year. Other than that, yeah we are gonna get killed.
 
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#75
winsec said:
yes the clock had expired but the ball was still in play which means the game is not over. blown call that still upsets Kiffin. Sec admitted blown call.
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Got a link to them admitting a blown call? I remember the sec telling kiffen he needs to shut up before he is fined or suspended.
 
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