Never judge a team's potential on the first game.

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How many season openers has Tennessee won in the last decade? How successful has the program been during that time? How many VN posters have come on after the season opener and predicted a Vol rout of UF and a victory in a BCS bowl? How often has that turned out to be true?

I judge a program's potential after two or three games against strong opponents then determine program success after the last game of the year. I cringe thinking about how "great" we were a decade ago only to get whupped by Nebraska, Kansas State and Maryland. Heck, Peyton and company never beat Florida. I cringe when people underestimate the Gators. Predictions of Vol victories over Florida are just precursors to a dishful of crow, if history is any indicator. At this point, UF has better athletes and (no disrespect to CDD) a better coach than Tennessee. The opener against Bowling Green was a no-brainer and UF was probably not up for the game in the same way they would be against Bama, Georgia or Tennessee. If you think that they will not adjust and that they will play the same kind of game against UT, then that explains why you are not a football coach. And how, exactly, does one compare NC State with Bowling Green? Who is the better team? How would UT have fared against Bowling Green, or UF against NC State?

I love the Vols, but I don't hate the Gators. I don't want to make room for hate of any kind in my world. What I do want is for every SEC team to be ranked in the top ten so that when Tennessee beats them, it cannot be questioned. So yes, I root for every SEC team on the Vols' current schedule when they are not playing the Vols. Maybe that is sacrilegious, but if we start looking forward to wins over Florida only when Florida is having a down year, then our expectations have sunk too low. Put it this way: if you had to choose, would you rather lose to Florida when they are unranked or when they are ranked #1? Would you rather beat Florida when they are unranked or when they are #1? Whenever we play the Gators, I want them to be undefeated and rated number one in the nation. Then I want to go out there and whup their a$$es.
 
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Florida does not have a better coach. Florida was loaded when Chump took over. You have no Clue i guess what kind of mess Dooley was delt. Get your History outa here .... history allso showed we would get kicked around in Atlanta. We should have won that game by 31 points! Florida will get beat 2 weeks in a row! Go A/M and Go Vols!
 
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Wrong. Not a negavol or a troll. I have been going to Vol games for nearly 30 years and my family has had season tix since 1963. I am a Vol fan through-and-through. I'm just not a deluded surrealist. And to say Muschamp's credentials are not better than Dooley's is silly. Aside from major coaching positions at LSU, Auburn and Texas, Muschamp was an assistant head coach for the Miami Dolphins. That is in the NFL, just so you know.

I love CDD and have utmost respect for the man. I just think it is too early in his career to start putting him forth as Tennessee's football messiah. As everyone around here can agree, it all hinges on this season. And I sincerely hope he succeeds beyond all of our wildest dreams.
 
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Honestly I see this offense as the most explosive since the good years. Plus cutclife always liked the slants and receiver screens. Randy Shannon was the same. I like this offense but I don't like the run formations we use .but I love how we stretch the field with our deep ball.. The depth is still questionable on both sides but our scheme and player speed puts us in the position for big plays on both sides. Honestly I feel like we can contend now but this is just the beginning.i really like what kinda team dooleys built and I can't wait to see how this offense is doin midseason
 
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Dooley coaches UT , so I have his back for now. Chump coaches Florida . Last season proved that he is a nut case. If we could have had a defensive chord who would change some things instead of the bend don't break we could have given them all they wanted last year. They just let dimps and rainy screens, dink and dunk us...that was it. Florida has zero respect for us and I hope we play them with zero respect!
 
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Who the hell has said Dooley is Tennessee's football messiah?!?! I think you are te delusional one
 
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Tennessee just went out and won a game that most so called experts thought they would lose. Florida went out and had trouble putting away Bowling Green. They have a tough game at Texas A&M next so we can see how good they really are.
 
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Yankee_Vol said:
Who the hell has sai Dooley is Tennessee's football messiah?!?! I think you are te delusional one
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It was a figure of speech in response to the notion that Dooley a) is without a doubt better than Muschamp (he may be, I think it is too early to tell) and b) has built a team equal to those under Fulmer's glory years. Seeing as you are a yankee, I understand that you need me to use exact quotes and straight references when responding to others so that you don't get so confused. :whistling:
 
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Fresnovol said:
Honestly I see this offense as the most explosive since the good years. Plus cutclife always liked the slants and receiver screens. Randy Shannon was the same. I like this offense but I don't like the run formations we use .but I love how we stretch the field with our deep ball.. The depth is still questionable on both sides but our scheme and player speed puts us in the position for big plays on both sides. Honestly I feel like we can contend now but this is just the beginning.i really like what kinda team dooleys built and I can't wait to see how this offense is doin midseason
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Just curious, where did Randy Shannon end up?
 
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huskyvol said:
Tennessee just went out and won a game that most so called experts thought they would lose. Florida went out and had trouble putting away Bowling Green. They have a tough game at Texas A&M next so we can see how good they really are.
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That.

Obviously, either NCSU or UT was misjudged...maybe both were. But we won't know until later in the season when we can view what they have done since this game. I just shake my head when fans come out after winning a season opener and declare these Vols BCS-bound. Happens every year. Then, when we play a tight game or, heaven forbid, lose, these same fans throw in the towel and demand a coaching change.

Judging from some of the comments around here, one would think that NC State were Bama or Southern Cal reincarnated. I, for one, never thought NC State would come out of Neyland with a W. I don't think such a win (at home) is good gauge of an historically strong program. Bring LSU or Florida into Neyland and beat them, then I will believe that we are reascending.
 
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Why stop at 3 games?? I judge a program once the season is over.













and every game before that
 
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VolFootballlover said:
Florida does not have a better coach. Florida was loaded when Chump took over. You have no Clue i guess what kind of mess Dooley was delt. Get your History outa here .... history allso showed we would get kicked around in Atlanta. We should have won that game by 31 points! Florida will get beat 2 weeks in a row! Go A/M and Go Vols!
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I agree :good!:
 
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carolinaviking said:
What, because I don't waste my time hating? I don't LIKE the Gators, but hate is not in my vocabulary.
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Hating ideologies, behaviors, and allegiances is different than hating people. BTW...if you say you don't hate you are lying to yourself.

In closing f$?# the gators.
 
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carolinaviking said:
That.

Obviously, either NCSU or UT was misjudged...maybe both were. But we won't know until later in the season when we can view what they have done since this game. I just shake my head when fans come out after winning a season opener and declare these Vols BCS-bound. Happens every year. Then, when we play a tight game or, heaven forbid, lose, these same fans throw in the towel and demand a coaching change.

Judging from some of the comments around here, one would think that NC State were Bama or Southern Cal reincarnated. I, for one, never thought NC State would come out of Neyland with a W. I don't think such a win (at home) is good gauge of an historically strong program. Bring LSU or Florida into Neyland and beat them, then I will believe that we are reascending.
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NC State couldn't, as you say, come out of Neyland with a win because they didn't play in Neyland. You're a self proclaimed Vol fan and you don't even know where the game was played?
 
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carolinaviking said:
How many season openers has Tennessee won in the last decade? How successful has the program been during that time? How many VN posters have come on after the season opener and predicted a Vol rout of UF and a victory in a BCS bowl? How often has that turned out to be true?

I judge a program's potential after two or three games against strong opponents then determine program success after the last game of the year. I cringe thinking about how "great" we were a decade ago only to get whupped by Nebraska, Kansas State and Maryland. Heck, Peyton and company never beat Florida. I cringe when people underestimate the Gators. Predictions of Vol victories over Florida are just precursors to a dishful of crow, if history is any indicator. At this point, UF has better athletes and (no disrespect to CDD) a better coach than Tennessee. The opener against Bowling Green was a no-brainer and UF was probably not up for the game in the same way they would be against Bama, Georgia or Tennessee. If you think that they will not adjust and that they will play the same kind of game against UT, then that explains why you are not a football coach. And how, exactly, does one compare NC State with Bowling Green? Who is the better team? How would UT have fared against Bowling Green, or UF against NC State?

I love the Vols, but I don't hate the Gators. I don't want to make room for hate of any kind in my world. What I do want is for every SEC team to be ranked in the top ten so that when Tennessee beats them, it cannot be questioned. So yes, I root for every SEC team on the Vols' current schedule when they are not playing the Vols. Maybe that is sacrilegious, but if we start looking forward to wins over Florida only when Florida is having a down year, then our expectations have sunk too low. Put it this way: if you had to choose, would you rather lose to Florida when they are unranked or when they are ranked #1? Would you rather beat Florida when they are unranked or when they are #1? Whenever we play the Gators, I want them to be undefeated and rated number one in the nation. Then I want to go out there and whup their a$$es.
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I agree with a lot of this.... The Vols looked like a much improved team to me over last year, but the idea that we are somehow going to steam roll Fla is crazy.

I do not think Fla has a better coach... however they certainly have a better athlete, Muschamp reminds me of Fulmer, a great recruiter, but not a good game coach. as for Dooley he reminds me of his father... a decent coach and recruiter and a great one if he can hit a homerun on one recruit or two :hi:
 
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jacob24 said:
NC State couldn't, as you say, come out of Neyland with a win because they didn't play in Neyland. You're a self proclaimed Vol fan and you don't even know where the game was played?
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Haha I know
 
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carolinaviking said:
How many season openers has Tennessee won in the last decade? How successful has the program been during that time? How many VN posters have come on after the season opener and predicted a Vol rout of UF and a victory in a BCS bowl? How often has that turned out to be true?

I judge a program's potential after two or three games against strong opponents then determine program success after the last game of the year. I cringe thinking about how "great" we were a decade ago only to get whupped by Nebraska, Kansas State and Maryland. Heck, Peyton and company never beat Florida. I cringe when people underestimate the Gators. Predictions of Vol victories over Florida are just precursors to a dishful of crow, if history is any indicator. At this point, UF has better athletes and (no disrespect to CDD) a better coach than Tennessee. The opener against Bowling Green was a no-brainer and UF was probably not up for the game in the same way they would be against Bama, Georgia or Tennessee. If you think that they will not adjust and that they will play the same kind of game against UT, then that explains why you are not a football coach. And how, exactly, does one compare NC State with Bowling Green? Who is the better team? How would UT have fared against Bowling Green, or UF against NC State?

I love the Vols, but I don't hate the Gators. I don't want to make room for hate of any kind in my world. What I do want is for every SEC team to be ranked in the top ten so that when Tennessee beats them, it cannot be questioned. So yes, I root for every SEC team on the Vols' current schedule when they are not playing the Vols. Maybe that is sacrilegious, but if we start looking forward to wins over Florida only when Florida is having a down year, then our expectations have sunk too low. Put it this way: if you had to choose, would you rather lose to Florida when they are unranked or when they are ranked #1? Would you rather beat Florida when they are unranked or when they are #1? Whenever we play the Gators, I want them to be undefeated and rated number one in the nation. Then I want to go out there and whup their a$$es.
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Then you have no business here......move along.
 
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carolinaviking said:
Wrong. Not a negavol or a troll. I have been going to Vol games for nearly 30 years and my family has had season tix since 1963. I am a Vol fan through-and-through. I'm just not a deluded surrealist. And to say Muschamp's credentials are not better than Dooley's is silly. Aside from major coaching positions at LSU, Auburn and Texas, Muschamp was an assistant head coach for the Miami Dolphins. That is in the NFL, just so you know.

I love CDD and have utmost respect for the man. I just think it is too early in his career to start putting him forth as Tennessee's football messiah. As everyone around here can agree, it all hinges on this season. And I sincerely hope he succeeds beyond all of our wildest dreams.
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If your avi is you, it explains alot to me about your OP.
 
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jacob24 said:
NC State couldn't, as you say, come out of Neyland with a win because they didn't play in Neyland. You're a self proclaimed Vol fan and you don't even know where the game was played?
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I was waiting for that one.
Thank You.
Carolinaviking, Tennessee will have a couple more fans showcasing the Orange & White at Neyland Stadium in KNOXVILLE, TENNESSEE than what you saw inside the GEORGIA DOME located in Atlanta, GEORGIA.
 
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OP, too early to tell how good of a coach Dooley is, yes, but pretty safe to say that Muschump is a poor HBC.

And why exactly do you have a problem with Vol fans getting excited about a win after the worst 4 year run in the history of our program?
 
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