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[VolsSportsFan]

but i can see where streaming could get real expensive, real fast....eventually.

This is where it's going; instead of getting a lot of media in one package a la Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/etc., it's going to be about 50 individual streaming services that all want at least $10 a month. It's why those services are working so hard to establish their own original programming, so they will have something good enough to offer people to get just primarily for their stuff.

Pretty soon to get everything you want you'll be paying every month what you originally each month in a cable bill (if not more), which will pretty much defeat the purpose of "cutting the cord". Although at the least I guess you can choose to cut some off when you don't need them and then just pay a month when they come back. Which makes me wonder if more will start going to releasing an episode a week instead of letting them all be available at once. I know Hulu already does that with some of their shows.

 

[bignewt]

this thing is evolving, and it will evolve faster once a lot of contracts come due...some folks are going to start to have to make decisions.

the only thing that worries me is that services like Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Sling etc....could become somewhat obsolete once all of these "channels" start to have the ability to sell their programming as a stand alone app.

CBS has already started as a major broadcast network with it's CBS all access for a fee...and it's free over the air TV...but you want to stream...pay me.

all of these other stand alone apps you can down load and use right now with a sign in thru a recognized cable/statellite provider....internet services like sling are not recognized and you can't use those apps for live TV or "premium" programming.

eventually, i could see it playing out where you have to pay for TNT, AMC, TBS, A&E, ABC etc....as a true a la carte TV package. and at that point would cord cutting really be less expensive...especially if those providers figure they can do better revenue wise by reducing access thru services like sling.

either way, i think the pie is just going to have a whole lot more pieces to it, and not everyone is going to be able to survive...

the big boys will want to have as many revenue streams as possible...but if you're Disney (with all it's affiliates...ABC, ESPN, Marvel etc...) you control the supply, if the demand remains high, do you really care to cut out a middle man or two?

definitely going to be interesting. i've recently cut the cord, and like it a lot. saving a ton of money, and lost virtually zero content.

but i can see where streaming could get real expensive, real fast....eventually.

That is why Netflix invests so much in original programming. They are getting ahead of the curve. They are a super network, when all these others push out their own streaming it still wont match what Netflix puts out. Do you really think CBS could compete at $10 a month vs Netflix? The only reason Hulu survives is the multiple channels and even then its small potatoes.

 

[BenGrimm]

The real kicker for all of this will be the ISP charging for data caps. I moved out of a Comcast area just as they were implementing a 300GB cap for the basic plan. I think to get unlimited was almost double the price. I was streaming way more than 300 GB every month. Fortunately Charter doesn't have that at the moment.

When that becomes more standard across all ISP providers, Then people will start deciding between paying just for internet plus 3 or 4 streaming services or doing some bundle package for cable and internet at roughly the same price.

In the end I still say streaming is here to stay and discs/physical media are going to be for enthusiasts/collectors only.

 

[jakez4ut]

That is why Netflix invests so much in original programming. They are getting ahead of the curve. They are a super network, when all these others push out their own streaming it still wont match what Netflix puts out. Do you really think CBS could compete at $10 a month vs Netflix? The only reason Hulu survives is the multiple channels and even then its small potatoes.

no, hence the pieces of the pie comment in my post....but that hasn't stopped CBS from adding another revenue stream...the good news, the other major networks haven't followed suit, but you can't access live programing or premium programing/on demand w/out a cable/satellite provider.

there's going to be a handful of big providers that can truly stand alone, that people will go buy.

for the others, especially the broadcast TV networks like Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC...can't see there being a huge market for a "pay for" app, when i can by a $20 antennae and watch it for free.

there are a lot of these networks that i think, once their contracts come due, will definitely want to keep the revenue streams from Cable/Satellite coming in, streaming services like Sling coming in...because if it's just "subscribe to my app", they'll die. and there's not enough streamers to just have their app as a subscription only. they would like to be able to do both...pay for the app, or pay for a service provider be it cable/satellite/streaming service.

you may even see some of those networks align with services like Netflix and Hulu even more than they already are if they can get them buy in. additionally that may be one of the ways services like Netflix and Hulu survive...and that's not to say i think they're in trouble. but if some of these other providers start limiting or removing some of the programming (and i don't think that's realistic either, it's yet another revenue stream for those networks), i can see a scenario where a netflix or hulu with primarily original programming only wouldn't fly.

at some point it's going to be about options...and the if the options run out and you're left with having to subscribe to 10 different apps at $5/$10 a month...everybody loses.

the two right now that i see that will have zero problem in getting people to sign up as stand alone is HBO and Disney. past that imo, it could get dicey depending on what moves are made, who combines with who etc....lots of moving parts.

 

[bignewt]

no, hence the pieces of the pie comment in my post....but that hasn't stopped CBS from adding another revenue stream...the good news, the other major networks haven't followed suit, but you can't access live programing or premium programing/on demand w/out a cable/satellite provider.

there's going to be a handful of big providers that can truly stand alone, that people will go buy.

for the others, especially the broadcast TV networks like Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC...can't see there being a huge market for a "pay for" app, when i can by a $20 antennae and watch it for free.

there are a lot of these networks that i think, once their contracts come due, will definitely want to keep the revenue streams from Cable/Satellite coming in, streaming services like Sling coming in...because if it's just "subscribe to my app", they'll die. and there's not enough streamers to just have their app as a subscription only. they would like to be able to do both...pay for the app, or pay for a service provider be it cable/satellite/streaming service.

you may even see some of those networks align with services like Netflix and Hulu even more than they already are if they can get them buy in. additionally that may be one of the ways services like Netflix and Hulu survive...and that's not to say i think they're in trouble. but if some of these other providers start limiting or removing some of the programming (and i don't think that's realistic either, it's yet another revenue stream for those networks), i can see a scenario where a netflix or hulu with primarily original programming only wouldn't fly.

at some point it's going to be about options...and the if the options run out and you're left with having to subscribe to 10 different apps at $5/$10 a month...everybody loses.

the two right now that i see that will have zero problem in getting people to sign up as stand alone is HBO and Disney. past that imo, it could get dicey depending on what moves are made, who combines with who etc....lots of moving parts.

The rest of the networks are streaming, its called Hulu. Of course network tv sucks dick so why pay to stream it? The only stand alone that works is HBO because...their original content is top notch a model that Netflix replicates that no one else can touch. Networks will stay where they are because simpletons will continue to have cable and watch mind numbing mass appeal reality programming and laugh tracks.

Everyone else will go with providers who can offer a LOT of original programming with no ratings or restrictions.

 

[jakez4ut]

The rest of the networks are streaming, its called Hulu. Of course network tv sucks dick so why pay to stream it? The only stand alone that works is HBO because...their original content is top notch a model that Netflix replicates that no one else can touch. Networks will stay where they are because simpletons will continue to have cable and watch mind numbing mass appeal reality programming and laugh tracks.

Everyone else will go with providers who can offer a LOT of original programming with no ratings or restrictions.

while i don't disagree with that, that's not what will drive a lot of these decisions when these contracts come due, and it's time to figure out what's what.

at the end of the day, for all of these entities...it's about how they can make money. that's all that's going to drive their decision making processes going forward.

 

[bignewt]

while i don't disagree with that, that's not what will drive a lot of these decisions when these contracts come due, and it's time to figure out what's what.

at the end of the day, for all of these entities...it's about how they can make money. that's all that's going to drive their decision making processes going forward.

I agree and netflix has been very forward thinking with adapting their business model.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

The real kicker for all of this will be the ISP charging for data caps. I moved out of a Comcast area just as they were implementing a 300GB cap for the basic plan. I think to get unlimited was almost double the price. I was streaming way more than 300 GB every month. Fortunately Charter doesn't have that at the moment.

When that becomes more standard across all ISP providers, Then people will start deciding between paying just for internet plus 3 or 4 streaming services or doing some bundle package for cable and internet at roughly the same price.

In the end I still say streaming is here to stay and discs/physical media are going to be for enthusiasts/collectors only.

Comcast now gives you 1024GB a month

 

[n_huffhines]

I have CBS all access. It's only $7. I got it just so I could watch old episodes of Big Brother and Survivor (they are really good shows to watch while I work on the computer) and i would have canceled by now, except I have like 5 people who use my password.

 

[joevol33]

I have CBS all access. It's only $7. I got it just so I could watch old episodes of Big Brother and Survivor (they are really good shows to watch while I work on the computer) and i would have canceled by now, except I have like 5 people who use my password.

I get it during football season, and cancel after Hawaii 5-0 is over.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

This is where it's going; instead of getting a lot of media in one package a la Netflix/Amazon/Hulu/etc., it's going to be about 50 individual streaming services that all want at least $10 a month. It's why those services are working so hard to establish their own original programming, so they will have something good enough to offer people to get just primarily for their stuff.

Pretty soon to get everything you want you'll be paying every month what you originally each month in a cable bill (if not more), which will pretty much defeat the purpose of "cutting the cord". Although at the least I guess you can choose to cut some off when you don't need them and then just pay a month when they come back. Which makes me wonder if more will start going to releasing an episode a week instead of letting them all be available at once. I know Hulu already does that with some of their shows.

As usual the consumer loses, but as long as you can binge watch, you can cut off subcription after you catch up, and then move to another service and on and on and on..until they make you start paying for each episode or movie. Right now even with Hulu, you can still binge watch when a series or season ends can't you? I already watch Got and other HBO series on my HBO Now subscription, but it has to be really worth it with great programming for me to pay extra like that.

 

[BenGrimm]

As usual the consumer loses, but as long as you can binge watch, you can cut off subcription after you catch up, and then move to another service and on and on and on..until they make you start paying for each episode or movie. Right now even with Hulu, you can still binge watch when a series or season ends can't you? I already watch Got and other HBO series on my HBO Now subscription, but it has to be really worth it with great programming for me to pay extra like that.

I think the number of people that add and drop based on a season of programming is slim.

The goal for HBO and Netflix is to get you to subscribe with Game of Thrones or House of Cards but then keep you on with Silicon Valley and Marvel shows.

Of course HBO locks you in for 10 weeks with GoT where as Netflix does a binge dump you can finish in a couple of days (if you have time). Netflix is cranking out content so fast from new shows to documentaries to comedy specials and now even original movies that there is plenty to keep you entertained.

I could see them eventually breaking up the binge dumps and dropping say 3-5 episodes every few weeks as opposed to all at once.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think the number of people that add and drop based on a season of programming is slim.

The goal for HBO and Netflix is to get you to subscribe with Game of Thrones or House of Cards but then keep you on with Silicon Valley and Marvel shows.

Of course HBO locks you in for 10 weeks with GoT where as Netflix does a binge dump you can finish in a couple of days (if you have time). Netflix is cranking out content so fast from new shows to documentaries to comedy specials and now even original movies that there is plenty to keep you entertained.

I could see them eventually breaking up the binge dumps and dropping say 3-5 episodes every few weeks as opposed to all at once.

Yeah..but Got is the only show I can't wait till all the episodes are in to watch. I think if you are patient, in the future you will still be able to binge a series. I don't think I will ever cut Netflix, their original programming is so good, you have no reason to. It doesn't bother me that Diz is cutting loose.

 

[jakez4ut]

I think the number of people that add and drop based on a season of programming is slim.

The goal for HBO and Netflix is to get you to subscribe with Game of Thrones or House of Cards but then keep you on with Silicon Valley and Marvel shows.

Of course HBO locks you in for 10 weeks with GoT where as Netflix does a binge dump you can finish in a couple of days (if you have time). Netflix is cranking out content so fast from new shows to documentaries to comedy specials and now even original movies that there is plenty to keep you entertained.

I could see them eventually breaking up the binge dumps and dropping say 3-5 episodes every few weeks as opposed to all at once.

agreed. i think there's a lot of things they (meaning any of these streaming services) can do to 'motivate' viewers to stay on longer.

but i agree, i don't know how many sign up and quit every few months just to save $30-$50 a year.

 

[bignewt]

Yeah..but Got is the only show I can't wait till all the episodes are in to watch. I think if you are patient, in the future you will still be able to binge a series. I don't think I will ever cut Netflix, their original programming is so good, you have no reason to. It doesn't bother me that Diz is cutting loose.

It doesn't bother anyone over the age of 7.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It doesn't bother anyone over the age of 7.

Ain't that the truth. All the Diz stuff I like, I see in the theatre and buy the Blu ray when it comes out, so being able to stream it means nothing to me.

 

[BenGrimm]

It doesn't bother anyone over the age of 7.

As a parent it affects me but not greatly. Netflix still has boatloads of kids content.

I was more upset when a good chunk of PBS kids content was pulled form Netflix last year.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ryan Hamilton just dropped a comedy special on Netflix. He doesn't go blue and he's hilarious. Will watch tomorrow.

 

[BenGrimm]

Ryan Hamilton just dropped a comedy special on Netflix. He doesn't go blue and he's hilarious. Will watch tomorrow.

Go blue?

I watched it the other night. Its pretty funny. He did have a brief political bit but acknowledged he's not a political comedian and was doing it pretty much because "you have to" address it right now. It wasn't really getting into policy or ideology. More just the reaction to the election. It was funny.

He kinda reminds me of Jim Gaffigan. He's clean and stays on pretty neutral topics.

 

[n_huffhines]

Go blue?

I watched it the other night. Its pretty funny. He did have a brief political bit but acknowledged he's not a political comedian and was doing it pretty much because "you have to" address it right now. It wasn't really getting into policy or ideology. More just the reaction to the election. It was funny.

He kinda reminds me of Jim Gaffigan. He's clean and stays on pretty neutral topics.

That's what it means.

I actually know Ryan Hamilton. My sister dates a comedian and I've met RH a few times. Had breakfast with him, once. It's weird to find out comedians have all different types of personalities. You wouldn't know he's a comedian by hanging out with him, whereas you definitely know when you talk to my sister's BF.

 

[bignewt]

Ive hung out with Steve Byrne, Aisha Tyler and a few others. I found them to be very down to earth and gracious, much more so than actors.

 

[BenGrimm]

That's what it means.

I actually know Ryan Hamilton. My sister dates a comedian and I've met RH a few times. Had breakfast with him, once. It's weird to find out comedians have all different types of personalities. You wouldn't know he's a comedian by hanging out with him, whereas you definitely know when you talk to my sister's BF.

Never heard that term before.

I would think it takes a lot of effort for stand up comedians to come up with a whole set that doesn't rely on shock or dropping swear words.

Anyway.... his special was good. There are a lot of specials on Netflix I turn off 15 min into them.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

Never heard that term before.

I would think it takes a lot of effort for stand up comedians to come up with a whole set that doesn't rely on shock or dropping swear words.

Anyway.... his special was good. There are a lot of specials on Netflix I turn off 15 min into them.

Brian Regan is probably my favorite clean comic.

 

[n_huffhines]

Ive hung out with Steve Byrne, Aisha Tyler and a few others. I found them to be very down to earth and gracious, much more so than actors.

Did you two play video games?

I also met Dave Attel briefly and talked to Jeff Ross for a bit. My sister's BF brought JR over to meet us and JR said to me and my wife, "my friend here says you two want to swing with me?"

 

[bignewt]

Did you two play video games?

I also met Dave Attel briefly and talked to Jeff Ross for a bit. My sister's BF brought JR over to meet us and JR said to me and my wife, "my friend here says you two want to swing with me?"

I met attell but didnt hang out with him. Aisha was a very cool chick, and very tall.