Nerlin Noel's & ShabaZz Muhammad thread...

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BigPapaCat said:
out*? :p

Anyway, i expect Harrow to come in and be better than Teague was in the start. Teague definitely improved as the season progressed. Statistically, Harrow should have a better year. Teague also had a lot of capable ball handlers to pass to. Jones/Davis brought it up the floor sometimes. I don't see Harrow having that option. Harrow really needs to be consistent from the first game. He's had a year to learn DD offense (which no UK pg has had in the last 3 years btw). Cal has a good pg this year. As good (or better) than Teague was.
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Heres my thing with harrow, if he was so good(as good or better than Teague) why not go pro instead of sitting out a year?

Not that tat always means everything just something I keep thinking of. I mean teagues a first rounder if harrows better he'd have been a sure fire lottery pick, most don't pass up that opportunity to sit out a year somewhere.
 
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And I'm still just amAzed at how thin the roster is for UK. What is there 8 on scholarship right now? And that's including a former walkon who was given a scholarship...

Here's a scary thought, all 5 underclass men COULD return, UK should have 5 scholarships still available. Not gonna happen but kinda crazy to think about.
 
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The 1-3 spot will be thin, not the 3-5. Noel, Cauly and hopefully bennet, jefferson will take those spots with some flexibility. Backcourt with Harrow, Beckham is thin.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
The 1-3 spot will be thin, not the 3-5. Noel, Cauly and hopefully bennet, jefferson will take those spots with some flexibility. Backcourt with Harrow, Beckham is thin.
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Here's the thing recruiting isn't done, but you're still saying Bennett and Jefferson to UK. Reports today are Bennett is still a UF lean fwiw...

If UK misses on both and doesn't bring anybody else in, they are thin 1-5.

Wait until guys actually committ before adding them to your depth chart.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Here's the thing recruiting isn't done, but you're still saying Bennett and Jefferson to UK. Reports today are Bennett is still a UF lean fwiw...

If UK misses on both and doesn't bring anybody else in, they are thin 1-5.

Wait until guys actually committ before adding them to your depth chart.
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I said "hopefully". Imo, we get jefferson and have a slight chance at Bennet.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Heres my thing with harrow, if he was so good(as good or better than Teague) why not go pro instead of sitting out a year?

Not that tat always means everything just something I keep thinking of. I mean teagues a first rounder if harrows better he'd have been a sure fire lottery pick, most don't pass up that opportunity to sit out a year somewhere.
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IMO - Harrow and Teague are difficult to compare. Teague is head and shoulders above Harrow as far as NBA potential. That doesn't mean Harrow can't be a pretty dang good college Point though. The problem with Harrow is he doesn't come close to Cal's point guard prototype. Cal will need to adapt things to fit him to the system. Harrow's size will severely limit his NBA chances.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
I said "hopefully". Imo, we get jefferson and have a slight chance at Bennet.
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Ok so If you only land Jefferson you realize that's still really thin right?

That's 3 guys at the 4/5 position, that's thin anyway you spin or.

Injury or foul trouble and you're screwed.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Is that a serious question?
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Explain. How will it be any different from last year.

Noel takes Davis spot.
Cauly takes Vargas spot.
Wjiter/Jefferson will take Jones spot.
Bennet (slight chance we get) can fill in 4 spot as well.

What am I missing? Imo, we are thin in the backcourt.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Explain. How will it be any different from last year.

Noel takes Davis spot.
Cauly takes Vargas spot.
Wjiter/Jefferson will take Jones spot.
Bennet (slight chance we get) can fill in 4 spot as well.

What am I missing? Imo, we are thin in the backcourt.
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Yes Noel's takes Davis spot
Cauley will take Jones spot though as of now

Wiltjer can't play the 4, get out of here.

Jefferson will play backup 4 to Cauley.

Now you're adding Bennett again, we're counting 3 not 4.

A 3 man rotation of Noel's, Cauley, and Jefferson is thin. Last year you had, Davis Vargas miller jones all at the 4/5, that's 4 people my friend.

A 3 man rotation is fine, but it's thin, so you better avoid foul trouble and any injury.

Explain how it's different from last year???

Last year: jones, Davis, miller, Vargas
Next year: Noel's, Cauley and jeffrrson(maybe)

See the difference?
 
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If you remember, Wjiter was subbed in for Jones quite a few time last season. However, he didn't fill the 4 spot like Jones did.

And yes, i am jumping the gun on Bennet. I'm hoping for the best.

Vargas is the worst out of all of these players. He was a decent, but nothing he did helped the game really. If you lose Cauly...you put Jefferson in there and still have a legit offensive threat. You lose Davis and put Vargas in...not the same.
 
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Let's see...

Starting line up last year for UK:

Teague (1) ,Lamb(1-2),Jones(4),MKG(3),Davis(4-5).

Miller (3-4) would sub in for Jones,MKG usually.
Wjiter would sub in for anyone with foul trouble usally playing like a 2 with the size of a 3.
Vargas (5) played for AD.

Im to lazy to do this year.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
If you remember, Wjiter was subbed in for Jones quite a few time last season. However, he didn't fill the 4 spot like Jones did.

And yes, i am jumping the gun on Bennet. I'm hoping for the best.

Vargas is the worst out of all of these players. He was a decent, but nothing he did helped the game really. If you lose Cauly...you put Jefferson in there and still have a legit offensive threat. You lose Davis and put Vargas in...not the same.
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Exactly Wiltjer isn't a SEC 4, at best he's a 3, so if you play him at the 4 you're hurting yourself.

Ok I get that Jefferson is better than Vargas, but who's replacing miller? You had 4 guys to play the 4/5 spots last year.
 
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Imo, Wjiter and Miller both subbed in for 4/5...but did not play that way. They both shot from outside and didn't really post up a lot. They had size and skills to defend (in millers case) to play against some 4's. Power forwards rarely shoot the 3 (ex. Jones) and Wjiter/Miller were big threats.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Let's see...

Starting line up last year for UK:

Teague (1) ,Lamb(1-2),Jones(4),MKG(3),Davis(4-5).

Miller (3-4) would sub in for Jones,MKG usually.
Wjiter would sub in for anyone with foul trouble usally playing like a 2 with the size of a 3.
Vargas (5) played for AD.

Im to lazy to do this year.
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Your disproving your original point, you said you had 3 4/5 guys last year so that's all you need this year.

You ACTUALLY had 4 post guys last year. Davis jones miller Vargas, and if you're counting Wiltjer then 5 post guys last year.

As I said you have Noel's and Cauley, let's say you land Jefferson.

4: Cauley 20/ Jefferson 20
5: noels 30/ Cauley 10

If anyone of them gets hurt or is on foul trouble you're screwed. If you wanna play Wiltjer at the 4 go for it, but that's an automatic basket for the opposition.


You're right UKs backcourt is thin, but so is the whole team.
 
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Miller didn't play the 4. He had size to play inside sometimes, but he definitely didn't fill the role that a true 4 like Jones did.

3 last year, 3 this year imo.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Imo, Wjiter and Miller both subbed in for 4/5...but did not play that way. They both shot from outside and didn't really post up a lot. They had size and skills to defend (in millers case) to play against some 4's. Power forwards rarely shoot the 3 (ex. Jones) and Wjiter/Miller were big threats.
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So their offense is what you're basing this on? Seriously?

For one, miller was great in the post.

Second, I remember a guy named chism who shot 3's, does that make him not PF? What about Tobias wast he a PF? That's not even a logical explanation you're making.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Miller didn't play the 4. He had size to play inside sometimes, but he definitely didn't fill the role that a true 4 like Jones did.

3 last year, 3 this year imo.
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Lmao ok.

He came in the game and played the 4 position. He guarded the oppositions 4, wtf is your point?

He played the 4 last year, it doesn't matter where he shoots from he played the damn 4. If he subbed in for jones and guarded the oppositions 4, he's plying the 4. I can't believe we're having this discussion.
 
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Miller was great in the post, but he doesn't fit the true PF mold. He subbed in for a PF, but didn't play even close to like him. Miller brought the ball up the floor and shot threes and occasionally worked inside. But 9/10 he would be on the outside and not posting up like Jones did.

True, he defended PFs...I already said that. But in no way played like a PF, that's what made him so versatile as a player.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao ok.

He came in the game and played the 4 position. He guarded the oppositions 4, wtf is your point?

He played the 4 last year, it doesn't matter where he shoots from he played the damn 4. If he subbed in for jones and guarded the oppositions 4, he's plying the 4. I can't believe we're having this discussion.
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Then leave. He played in the 4 spot, but didn't take the 4 role. If you want me to add "offensive" in front of that every single time, then fine...consider it done. I already stated he guarded other 4's.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Miller was great in the post, but he doesn't fit the true PF mold. He subbed in for a PF, but didn't play even close to like him. Miller brought the ball up the floor and shot threes and occasionally worked inside. But 9/10 he would be on the outside and not posting up like Jones did.

True, he defended PFs...I already said that. But in no way played like a PF, that's what made him so versatile as a player.
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I find it hard to believe you play competitive ball. Someone is the 4 at all times. I don't care what miller did what position did he play the majority of the time....the 4, and he was damn good at it.

Just because he was versatile doesn't mean he didn't play the 4, and just because he didn't play like jones doesn't mean he wasn't a 4. But if you wanna say he's a whatever, fact remains he played and defended the 4. So who replaces miller next year?
 
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Plays a role similar to that of the center, down in the "post" or "low blocks". On offense, they can "post up", (playing with their backs to the basket), or set up for mid-range jump shots.
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Yes, that's miller alright.
 
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BigPapaCat said:
Yes, that's miller alright.
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Lmao yes the extent of your bball knowledge is PE, where they call you Nash I forgot lmao.


Look very simple...miller played the 4. At all times there are an1,2,3,4,5...when miller was out there he was usually at the 4.

I don't care if you like how he played the position or not, it's the position he played. Point still remains, last yea you had 4 guys that could play the 4/5, who's going to next year???!!!??????
 
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They call me Nash cause my floatas and passes be so white lulz. But that was back in the good ole' days. Been a while since i heard it...


I feel like im in a infinite loop (comp sci reference) in this argument.
 
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