Negative MJ tests?

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Orangekush423 said:
I had 1 felony and 3 misdemeanors thrown out in Tuscaloosa Al due to being profiled prior to the traffic stop. So yes, it happens. The same way a white kid driving a black kid around in the hood "looks" suspicious.But yall are right, we live in a perfect world and 99% of people go against their human nature to stereotype and profile. Silly me!
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Really? I would be interested in hearing all about this story. Sounds pretty interesting to me.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I see this thread going straight to Hell in short order.
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I am not trying to hijack this thread from you guys. I hate the race card being thrown around by a generation who has really never seen the extent of a real race problem.
 
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Meeks54 said:
I am not trying to hijack this thread from you guys. I hate the race card being thrown around by a generation who has really never seen the extent of a real race problem.
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Right, and someone who gets hit by a Corolla doesn't know **** about being hit by a automobile just because it wasn't a Mack truck? Silly
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Its more like you don't know what its like to get hit by a Mack Truck doing about 80 when you get hit by a Corrola at 40.
 
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Makes said:
I am not trying to hijack this thread from you guys. I hate the race card being thrown around by a generation who has really never seen the extent of a real race problem.
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Agree they haven't been exposed to the racism and to the racial tensions that existed in the 60's and even 70's, But I work with inner-city youth on a daily basis and without a doubt race stills plays a huge factor once pulled over to what extent a normal traffic stop ends up much more. To deny that is naive. But these young men being African American are well aware of this and therefore it is even more stupid to have loaded weapons and such and then to go out and speed. Regardless what I tell these young men on a daily basis is it doesn't matter if they profile you if you aren't breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. No one to blame, it aint because they are black, poor, or for any other reason they are in trouble. IT is because they choose to break the law, plain and simple
 
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VOLBELIEVER said:
Agree they haven't been exposed to the racism and to the racial tensions that existed in the 60's and even 70's, But I work with inner-city youth on a daily basis and without a doubt race stills plays a huge factor once pulled over to what extent a normal traffic stop ends up much more. To deny that is naive. But these young men being African American are well aware of this and therefore it is even more stupid to have loaded weapons and such and then to go out and speed. Regardless what I tell these young men on a daily basis is it doesn't matter if they profile you if you aren't breaking the law you have nothing to worry about. No one to blame, it aint because they are black, poor, or for any other reason they are in trouble. IT is because they choose to break the law, plain and simple
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Great point, with the exception of what the cops who profile ppl are doing is equally wrong. (My above posts will show that I don't nec think that's the case here but it is many times)
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Orangekush423 said:
Great point, with the exception of what the cops who profile ppl are doing is equally wrong. (My above posts will show that I don't nec think that's the case here but it is many times)
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Why is it wrong to profile? It is not racism when statistics show race x commits x on a regular basis. There is NOTHING wrong with profiling a certain race to give cops a better idea of who to look for for certain things.

White people are profiled daily when say a serial killer is loose. But, I guarantee you have no problems with that.
 
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Suppression has a legitimate shot now...

The cop lied when he said he smelled MJ, and the whole search lacked probable cause.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Yes it does. View my post. I said they likely were smoking. And yes they were pulled over for speeding. Does that mean that Officer X didn't see four tatted up "thugs" and decide he wanted to know what was inside they're car? No, does It mean he did? Also no, see my post. BUT THIS GOES ON, and its wrong...I was in line at an airport security line, awaiting check(post 9/11) when a white woman was asked to step to the side to be better checked, she made a scene screaming that this wasn't fair and she didn't "LOOK like a terrorist" I couldn't help but think, what does a terrorists LOOK like? Last time I checked they look like someone with a bomb,ect. She was clearly saying that bc she wasn't of middle-eastern desent that she couldn't possibly be a terrorists. Car salesman routinely (to their dismay often) size up the "ups" that pull onto their lot. -big suv=money , old clunker=bad credit. Waiters and waitresses choose table (when possible) that look to be good tippers, ie (not blacl people/rednecks). I can go on and on with proffessions and examples. Yall must live in one hell of a community-any houses still for sale in the Garden of Eden? THaAAAANKS
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Dude you went way in the wrong direction here...

White women have committed a total of...wait for it....ZERO terrorist acts against the United States. EVER...

It is beyond insane that our PC BS keeps us unsafe by stopping everyone equally.

I am all for constitutional criminal procedure, I think the war on drugs is racist in its inception and its prosecution, but FREAKING A! TSA is a bunch of complete idiots and it makes us all less safe that they waste millions of hours of peoples lives post 9/11 running searches on everyone.
 
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Meeks54 said:
Why is it wrong to profile? It is not racism when statistics show race x commits x on a regular basis. There is NOTHING wrong with profiling a certain race to give cops a better idea of who to look for for certain things.

White people are profiled daily when say a serial killer is loose. But, I guarantee you have no problems with that.
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Yes I do.
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
Dude you went way in the wrong direction here...

White women have committed a total of...wait for it....ZERO terrorist acts against the United States. EVER...

It is beyond insane that our PC BS keeps us unsafe by stopping everyone equally.

I am all for constitutional criminal procedure, I think the war on drugs is racist in its inception and its prosecution, but FREAKING A! TSA is a bunch of complete idiots and it makes us all less safe that they waste millions of hours of peoples lives post 9/11 running searches on everyone.
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My point is not to know the ins and outs of the TSA, however I do know that at least in atlanta, federal authorities are on hand and downstairs working hand in hand with the TSA. The womans statement was what I was pointing out. Her mindset. What exactly is a "terrorist" act and what isn't. Bc women who happen to be white have done some "terrible" things in this county.
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Orangekush423 said:
Yes I do.
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Are you too high right now to rationally think about this?

If a bank is robbed by a black man who is 6'10 it is insane for the police to stop a white man who is 5'4 in case he robbed the bank. Do you believe in profiling in that limited sense?

What about knowing that there is a war on and that people with certain names and beliefs want to kill you, is it wrong to focus your security on people who fit that group so you can prevent more terrorism?

I was profiled lots in DC for being out of state plates in the wrong area as a white guy late at night. One cop finally gave me his business card and I started to show it when I got pulled over and it made the stops go by much faster...

I think the guys in the car should be able to get everything suppressed if they tested negative, because the cop lied and never had probable cause to call for the police dog. That does not mean that speeding on Alcoa at a speed above that which I have been ticketed on the same stretch of road is DWB.

By the way, I have friends who are white black and hispanic with tattoos visible on their face and/or neck and they are ALWAYS hassled more by police. DWTIGRP (Driving while tattooed in gang related places) will always result in more police hostility than not, no matter what color you are.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
My point is not to know the ins and outs of the TSA, however I do know that at least in atlanta, federal authorities are on hand and downstairs working hand in hand with the TSA. The womans statement was what I was pointing out. Her mindset. What exactly is a "terrorist" act and what isn't. Bc women who happen to be white have done some "terrible" things in this county.
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Man Loreena Bobbit, Andrea Yates, Janet Reno...I am scared of some crazy white women, but they have never been terrorists in the sense that they present any danger to you on an airplane.

Our country is less safe because we refuse to acknowledge simple truths like this.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
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By the way, I have friends who are white black and hispanic with tattoos visible on their face and/or neck and they are ALWAYS hassled more by police. DWTIGRP (Driving while tattooed in gang related places) will always result in more police hostility than not, no matter what color you are.
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Read all my posts so I don't have to copy paste(I'm on a moble, its not easy lol) As far as having a description of an offender, that's apples to oranges. And the above quote, you don't agree this is wrong? That tatoo doesn't mean SH*T.Also I'm speaking of not only Black folks but every race. In my original argument the ppl above seemed to have the stance that this stuff just could never possibly go on. I was merely attempting to show them that it goes on way more than they realize.I agree that negative tests would/could go a long way in court...
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Orangekush423 said:
The whole " I think I smell MJ" is a way for cops to search who they want. What's gonna happen, r they gonna prove in court that the cop didn't "smell" MJ? Its a way for Police Officers to abuse their rights to search. Welcome to the Police State 2010. (It happens every day to young black people driving, all accross our country. Although more prevalent in the southeast)
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This is very true. They can make up any reason to search the car. But of course, it doesn't help when they actually find maryjane in the car. Not testing positive doesn't really change the case, I suppose that it just ensures that Tatum can't be charged with driving under the influence of drugs
 
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jackie-tn said:
Anybody hear this? Saw on another bb that Hyams said all 4 players tested negative. Someone posted about the legality of the search since it was reported police smelled mj smoke.

Interesting...
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It's over. We have our dedicated team now.
 
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Orangekush423 said:
Good that you profess to use no profiling while you work(although I'd beg to differ, but for the sake of argument well say you never have) Do you really believe that this doesn't happen?? 15 years and you haven't seen this happen? Cmon now buddy?
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Hey orangekush
this was my biggest problem, I thought you were questioning my integrity, which I quess would have been you profiling me becuz I was a police officer.
 
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whats up with all the race contraversey on here.. weather or not routine traffic stops can be racial profiling or not that doesnt give neone reason to take it out on the volnation patrons stop the bickering and get on with supporting the basketball team... what happened, HAPPENED so get over it.....
 
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