NCAA pushing decision out on 1 free transfer - update

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Amb3096 said:
Agree for the most part, except with the coaching change. Recruitment is all about relationships, and if the coach or school decides to sever that player-coach relationship, I think it's unfair to penalize the player if they want to explore their options.
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I sympathize to an extent, but when you sign your LOI, you're signing with the school you're attending, not the coach. It also gives players that were going to leave already (i.e. Evina Westbrook) an out to leave, regardless of why they're leaving, so there's that.
 
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volman128 said:
I sympathize to an extent, but when you sign your LOI, you're signing with the school you're attending, not the coach. It also gives players that were going to leave already (i.e. Evina Westbrook) an out to leave, regardless of why they're leaving, so there's that.
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You sign pretty much for one year with the school having the option to renew after each year. Why shouldn’t the student have the same option By leaving without penalty?
 
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volman128 said:
I sympathize to an extent, but when you sign your LOI, you're signing with the school you're attending, not the coach. It also gives players that were going to leave already (i.e. Evina Westbrook) an out to leave, regardless of why they're leaving, so there's that.
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I know that's the party line, but the players wouldn't sign with the school if they didn't like the coach. If Geno resigned from UConn and Holly was named HC, I'm sure that there would be a mass exodus, and who can blame them? That wouldn't be what they signed up for.
 
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Amb3096 said:
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I know that's the party line, but the players wouldn't sign with the school if they didn't like the coach. If Geno resigned from UConn and Holly was named HC, I'm sure that there would be a mass exodus, and who can blame them? That wouldn't be what they signed up for.
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I hope some UConn fans read what you wrote. Their heads would explode....lol.
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
You sign pretty much for one year with the school having the option to renew after each year. Why shouldn’t the student have the same option By leaving without penalty?
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I see this argument a lot when discussing this subject and while it's true how many times have you seen a player not have their scholarship renewed? Maybe in football but I can't recall any in women's basketball.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
I see this argument a lot when discussing this subject and while it's true how many times have you seen a player not have their scholarship renewed? Maybe in football but I can't recall any in women's basketball.
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Zaay Green? She might have left on her own but was probably told she wouldn’t be asked back.

Its like when an appointee in government resigns because he was going to be fired.
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
Zaay Green? She might have left on her own but was probably told she wouldn’t be asked back.

Its like when an appointee in government resigns because he was going to be fired.
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Don't think Zaay's situation is anywhere close to that scenario. She was definitely wanted back except for her actions and choices. That's on her, not the institution. I just want one Lady Vol name where they got their scholly yanked due to non performance and whatever. I don't know of one.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
Don't think Zaay's situation is anywhere close to that scenario. She was definitely wanted back except for her actions and choices. That's on her, not the institution. I just want one Lady Vol name where they got their scholly yanked due to non performance and whatever. I don't know of one.
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You said “how many times have you seen a player not have their scholarship renewed?”.

Clearly Green’s scholarship was not going to be renewed. I believe the same for Te’a Cooper as well?
 
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Isn't that like firing a coach for cause (not related to his/her athletes' performance) when coaches forfeit their buyouts?

You know, like when they get caught having a sexual relationship with a player, having a motorcycle wreck with mistress, throwing an at-home barbecue prohibited by NCAA, falsifying student academic records, embellishing the coach's resume, hiring escorts to entertain high school athletes, etc.

Surely student athletes have similar "morals" clauses, just as they can't engage in certain professional activities to profit from their status. Students are expelled for offensive social media posts, so why shouldn't athletes lose scholarships for egregiously breaking team ir school rules even to the point of facing legal charges?
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
Here is a great article on renewing athletic scholarships. To me it shows how much power the Institution has over the player. Leaving is the players only recourse. To punish them for that seems to be totally unfair to me.

https://therecruitingcode.com/lost-athletic-scholarship
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But in Power 5 conferences scholarships can’t be taken away for athletic performance reasons I thought

So if the athletes are being held to the university rules it seems like maybe Green, Cooper, and Hayes may have been dismissed from the university regardless of being an athlete or not.

The Facts About “Guaranteed” Multi-Year NCAA Division I Scholarships
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
You said “how many times have you seen a player not have their scholarship renewed?”.

Clearly Green’s scholarship was not going to be renewed. I believe the same for Te’a Cooper as well?
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Once again, that is not even close to the scenario you are concerned about. Those issues have more to do with the school and not the athletic department. I recall Coopers situation being similar to Juan Jennings. Cooper decided to move on instead of trying to work her way back in. Why would anyone expect an institution to honor a scholarship when there have been legal and disciplinarian issues? I don't think any reasonable person would. Just name one that had their scholly yanked that didn't do anything wrong.
 
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In reading some of the "writings" some of the college students post on their webpages ( because everybody keeps linking them around here) I wonder how in the hell they ever passed out of junior high.
 
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VA_VOLFAN said:
But in Power 5 conferences scholarships can’t be taken away for athletic performance reasons I thought

So if the athletes are being held to the university rules it seems like maybe Green, Cooper, and Hayes may have been dismissed from the university regardless of being an athlete or not.

The Facts About “Guaranteed” Multi-Year NCAA Division I Scholarships
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There are 347 Division I college basketball programs. It’s not always about the “Power 5” conferences.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
Once again, that is not even close to the scenario you are concerned about. Those issues have more to do with the school and not the athletic department. I recall Coopers situation being similar to Juan Jennings. Cooper decided to move on instead of trying to work her way back in. Why would anyone expect an institution to honor a scholarship when there have been legal and disciplinarian issues? I don't think any reasonable person would. Just name one that had their scholly yanked that didn't do anything wrong.
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Well, there are 347 colleges in Div I. An average of 10 scholarships means 3,470 renewable scholarships each year. Over 30 years that’s over 100,000 renewable scholarships. I’m sure there are a few not renewed that the players felt were without just cause.

More to the point, the players only recourse for what THEY feel is poor treatment is to leave and for that they get punished. It doesn’t seem fair to me.

In regards to Cooper, I don’t believe your scenario is what happened.

Report: Cooper transfers after fight with Jaime Nared
 
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The way I would write the rule is first transfer is free second transfer sit out one season and loss of one year of eligibility. This would allow for a second transfer after the free one but you would have to pay big time. I would leave graduating players as it is now if you have graduated you are free to go without any kind of penalty.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
The way I would write the rule is first transfer is free second transfer sit out one season and loss of one year of eligibility. This would allow for a second transfer after the free one but you would have to pay big time. I would leave graduating players as it is now if you have graduated you are free to go without any kind of penalty.
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What I see is a bunch of recruits going to weaker conferences, padding stats and then coming to P-5's and screwing up everything

Its just a bad move
 
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Bballnut1952 said:
You sign pretty much for one year with the school having the option to renew after each year. Why shouldn’t the student have the same option By leaving without penalty?
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That's technically the scenario, but scholarship non-renewal is pretty much unheard of outside of breaking team/school rules.

You think any student athlete is signing with their school "for one year"? No, they all sign with the intention of spending their careers there. Can't have it both ways. It's a little bit of a gray area with a coaching change, but in the end, they sign with a school, not a coach.

Bottom line is sitting out a year isn't the end of the world. It's not as if the player has to pay their own way for the year that they sit out. They don't, and they're not losing that year of eligibility, either.
 
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The current top programs will get even greater talent than they already have....The coaches will have their minions doing a lot of recruiting of programs with good players.......

You think UConn, or South Carolina, and a few others, are loaded now, forget about it if they can add even more talent later...At least for one year, they will be bursting at the seams with more 5 star talent....They will get most of the cream.

This would about wipe a lot of schools out of even being competitive, and that probably includes us...We're trying to be competitive again, but it has been a struggle.
 
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volman128 said:
That's technically the scenario, but scholarship non-renewal is pretty much unheard of outside of breaking team/school rules.

You think any student athlete is signing with their school "for one year"? No, they all sign with the intention of spending their careers there. Can't have it both ways. It's a little bit of a gray area with a coaching change, but in the end, they sign with a school, not a coach.

Bottom line is sitting out a year isn't the end of the world. It's not as if the player has to pay their own way for the year that they sit out. They don't, and they're not losing that year of eligibility, either.
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I mostly agree with what you have said, but as I said in another post, with over 3500 scholarships in just WCBB and thousands more in other sports being renewed every year, I'm sure there are players that would disagree with some of the non-renewal decisions. Colleges can make and use any rule they want to remove a player.

I'm really on the fence on the new rule if it happens and it looks like it will. I guess there is really no point to complaining. Coaches and fans alike will have to learn to adjust.
 
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