NCAA, MLB talking about increasing scholarships

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Thanks...I don't see how any of that could be detrimental to the game, only positive for college baseball.
 
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Big news for college baseball and this would mean the end to the metal bats IMO.
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I am all for this. More schollies and wood bats are a good start.

At the same time they need to consider adopting the football rule of being on campus for 3 years before drafting. The basketball rule needs changed to that as well. One and dones are bad for all college sports. If more money comes in the schools can then afford higher quality coaching to develop players for MLB, like college football does for the NFL. This reduces the need for as many Class A and lower developmental minor leagues.

It would be a big help to major college programs and attendance would increase big time. Nothing but pluses for MLB to step in and assist.
 
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Vols4us said:
I am all for this. More schollies and wood bats are a good start.

At the same time they need to consider adopting the football rule of being on campus for 3 years before drafting. The basketball rule needs changed to that as well. One and dones are bad for all college sports. If more money comes in the schools can then afford higher quality coaching to develop players for MLB, like college football does for the NFL. This reduces the need for as many Class A and lower developmental minor leagues.

It would be a big help to major college programs and attendance would increase big time. Nothing but pluses for MLB to step in and assist.
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Its very possible that the 3yr rule would be a part of this IMO. I have heard many scouts say that if college baseball would agree to use wood bats then they wouldn't draft hs hitters. That doesn't account for the hs arms but a start none the less.
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Good if they can get the wood bats. The schollys has been a big problem too.
 
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MLB can give all the money they want BUT Title IX is the reason that scholarships are artificially limited; at least at big time college level anyway.

Where UT has to figuratively beat the bushes and beg coeds to row; the baseball team (because they have a penises and are not big enough to play football or basketball) has to make due with 1/4 scholarships.

I used to be pro-Title IX but now that I read more about the requirements, it sounds like every other government mandated feel good program.

My son who will never be a college football or basketball player has ZERO chance at a full athletic scholarship if he excelled in baseball, golf, tennis or track&field. My daughter, who has never rowed a boat in her life; could get an athletic grant-in-aid just be walking up to an information booth and signing up. The government and Title IX supporters think this is fair.

So MLB could fund the scholarships at every Div 1 school and it would only increase the number of athletes marginally. Schools like TTU, Western Carolina and others sometimes lack the funds for full complement of scholarships. So, MLB if they funded every scholarship; would add (maybe) 75 scholarships
 
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The Title 9 issue is real without question. Shamefully its pretty simple but half of whatever amount of money mlb is willing to invest will go to womens athletics.
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fryeguy93 said:
MLB can give all the money they want BUT Title IX is the reason that scholarships are artificially limited; at least at big time college level anyway.

Where UT has to figuratively beat the bushes and beg coeds to row; the baseball team (because they have a penises and are not big enough to play football or basketball) has to make due with 1/4 scholarships.

I used to be pro-Title IX but now that I read more about the requirements, it sounds like every other government mandated feel good program.

My son who will never be a college football or basketball player has ZERO chance at a full athletic scholarship if he excelled in baseball, golf, tennis or track&field. My daughter, who has never rowed a boat in her life; could get an athletic grant-in-aid just be walking up to an information booth and signing up. The government and Title IX supporters think this is fair.

So MLB could fund the scholarships at every Div 1 school and it would only increase the number of athletes marginally. Schools like TTU, Western Carolina and others sometimes lack the funds for full complement of scholarships. So, MLB if they funded every scholarship; would add (maybe) 75 scholarships
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If MLB funded two scholarships per school, the NCAA would add a scholarship each to softball and women's volleyball to cover the Title IX offset.

To be fair, the majority of rowing athletes are also on partial scholarships and, per NCAA regulations, "novices" that have no previous experience are not eligible to receive aid until they have been in a program for more than a year.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
If MLB funded two scholarships per school, the NCAA would add a scholarship each to softball and women's volleyball to cover the Title IX offset.

To be fair, the majority of rowing athletes are also on partial scholarships and, per NCAA regulations, "novices" that have no previous experience are not eligible to receive aid until they have been in a program for more than a year.
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Deer the problem with that is most D1 schools wouldn't add those 2 extra women scholarships unless they were funded elsewhere. MLB would have to pay that bill as well IMO.
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BruinVol said:
Deer the problem with that is most D1 schools wouldn't add those 2 extra women scholarships unless they were funded elsewhere. MLB would have to pay that bill as well IMO.
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I disagree. The vast majority of schools have been lobbying for an increase, particularly in volleyball, where a position (Libero) was added to the legal roster in 2003 without an accompanying scholarship increase.

But part of what you said is correct. I think you'll see MLB and the NCAA come to an agreement where MLB will fully fund something like 6 scholarships per team, but the NCAA will only raise the scholarship limit by 3 or 3.5, allowing funds to be freed up on the school level to fund increases in other sports.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I disagree. The vast majority of schools have been lobbying for an increase, particularly in volleyball, where a position (Libero) was added to the legal roster in 2003 without an accompanying scholarship increase.

But part of what you said is correct. I think you'll see MLB and the NCAA come to an agreement where MLB will fully fund something like 6 scholarships per team, but the NCAA will only raise the scholarship limit by 3 or 3.5, allowing funds to be freed up on the school level to fund increases in other sports.
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Thanks for the info. I used the word "most" and that wasn't accurate. The high majors will be fine with extra scholarships on the women's side. Its the mid majors and below that won't go for it IMO.
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BruinVol said:
Thanks for the info. I used the word "most" and that wasn't accurate. The high majors will be fine with extra scholarships on the women's side. Its the mid majors and below that won't go for it IMO.
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True, but as has been pointed out to them before, the number is a maximum, not a minimum.

The biggest reason that mid-majors oppose increases like this isn't that they can't afford it, it's that they are concerned that their top players will instead choose to be a role player on a major team instead of their star.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
True, but as has been pointed out to them before, the number is a maximum, not a minimum.

The biggest reason that mid-majors oppose increases like this isn't that they can't afford it, it's that they are concerned that their top players will instead choose to be a role player on a major team instead of their star.
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Yes increasing the scholarship numbers would make the big boys stronger for just that reason. Maybe MLB wouldn't care if only the big schools increased there scholarship numbers and the mid majors and below left theirs under funded.
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BruinVol said:
Yes increasing the scholarship numbers would make the big boys stronger for just that reason. Maybe MLB wouldn't care if only the big schools increased there scholarship numbers and the mid majors and below left theirs under funded.
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I think that's the idea, really. Making sure prospects get good coaching while playing at a high level. If this succeeds and they eventually go to wood bats, you'll see MLB teams cut down from two A level teams to one.
 
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BruinVol said:
Yes increasing the scholarship numbers would make the big boys stronger for just that reason. Maybe MLB wouldn't care if only the big schools increased there scholarship numbers and the mid majors and below left theirs under funded.
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But it's the MLB that will be paying for the scholarships, not the school. So it shouldn't have any effect like that. It just gives more kids opportunities to play baseball on a full ride instead of just football and basketball.

Actually, this can help the schools that don't use the full amount of money because now they have three (as an example) guaranteed scholarships they can use and compete with the big teams in recruiting a kid they really want.

But yeah, Title IX will screw this up no doubt. It's one crappy law to apply to collegiate athletics.
 
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Vols4us said:
I am all for this. More schollies and wood bats are a good start.

At the same time they need to consider adopting the football rule of being on campus for 3 years before drafting. The basketball rule needs changed to that as well. One and dones are bad for all college sports. If more money comes in the schools can then afford higher quality coaching to develop players for MLB, like college football does for the NFL. This reduces the need for as many Class A and lower developmental minor leagues.

It would be a big help to major college programs and attendance would increase big time. Nothing but pluses for MLB to step in and assist.
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I think MLB already has the best draft rules. If a kid is good enough, he can skip college and go straight to the pros. But if he goes to college, he has to stay for three years. There are no one and dones in baseball, except JUCO, but those are very rare i.e. Bryce Harper.

And it's not like high shcool kids bust anymore than college kids. There are some high school draftees tearing the minor right now, right out of high school, ex: Dylan Bundy, Francisco Lindor, Nick Castelllanos.
 
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And I really think this is geared towards getting the high school athlete that is trying to choose between basketball, football and baseball to pick baseball because he now has a good chance to get a full ride playing baseball. It's trying to increase the talent pool, not put all the talent in a couple of conferences.
 
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#1ArencibiaFan said:
But it's the MLB that will be paying for the scholarships, not the school. So it shouldn't have any effect like that. It just gives more kids opportunities to play baseball on a full ride instead of just football and basketball.
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Correct, but the schools will have to cough up the money for the accompanying scholarships in corresponding women's sports. They'll also have to commit to spending money and resources on baseball to support the athletes.

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But yeah, Title IX will screw this up no doubt. It's one crappy law to apply to collegiate athletics.
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I fail to see what part of a law that made it possible for women to be treated equally in education and made it possible for women to compete in collegiate sports is "crappy."
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Correct, but the schools will have to cough up the money for the accompanying scholarships in corresponding women's sports. They'll also have to commit to spending money and resources on baseball to support the athletes.
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I'd bet MLB helps offset those costs if this goes through. They already spend money on baseball, not sure what that means.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
I fail to see what part of a law that made it possible for women to be treated equally in education and made it possible for women to compete in collegiate sports is "crappy."
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Title 9 in its purpose as you describe is a good thing for sure. The crappy part of it is that it has brought funding down for the men to meet in the middle. So while the women benefit from the law the men are suffering. I believe that high schools and universities should be able to spend their funds that they have raised on the sports that the donors want to support without regarding gender. Title 9 at the high school is really hurting sports like baseball in that those programs aren't being able to spend privately raised funds on upgrades to facilities unless they are willing to spend the same on softball. That is plain wrong!
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At Ohio, the head baseball coach raised a few million dollars for a new baseball stadium. He did all the fundraising work but when it was time to build, he had to give some of the money to softball to be in compliance with Title IX. Real fair.
 
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It's also lead to situations like this since there has to be equal/proportional scholarship dollars. Since there is no equal for football, sports like baseball suffer by having partial scholarships and other sports get cut.
 
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