NCAA makes mischief, not sense

[1reVOLver]

Read this good summary before considering self-harm. The damage may be limited, and will certainly be making money for the
lawyers.

New NCAA Eligibility Requirements Could Impact Top International Players

The guidance issued this month largely surrounds compensation and professional team involvement, but how it will be enforced is unclear.

www.si.com

In short, the boffins of the NCAA, having failed to fix reffing or the catastrophic NIL and revenue sharing mess (Death to Amateurism!),
have decided that they know just precisely how much a European kid can earn before hopping across the pond to the good ole US of A where the sky’s the bloody limit.

Based on historical research—read the newspapers, beyond just the funnies—I give you most heartfelt assurances that they cannot spell, let alone define, PPP. Stands for Purchasing Power Parity, and contributes heavily to foreign exchange rates. So, for example, a big old Victorian house up coast in @Rooster1 territory—potatoes and not very many people—might go for say $275k, while a very similar home in Cornwall, England, Great Britain, might cost £1.5 million, or roughly $1.85 million USD. But, and it’s a biggie, UK wages are much, much higher in local currency, so the same sort of
workers who can buy the Maine home with US wages can afford the mortgage on the Brit heap with British wages.
Point is, the Charlie Bakers haven’t a clue about this stuff. They toss out a number, say €51,000 per annum, and if a kid got a euro more Kim Mulkey can’t buy them.

1. Dumb.
2. Invites litigation for, amongst other things, restraint of trade,
3. cost to monitor?
4. appeals process?
5. Abso-plucking-lutely invites and begs for retaliation by Euro leagues vs. American players.

Oh, did I mention how stupid it is?

 

[Sudden Impact]

I guess the NCAA thinks they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. This sounds more like a Motel 8.

The NCAA in full is a bunch of pricks and pricketts that have never had a job that required they use their brains to govern, manage, or monitor an organization that requires a thought process through planning and process.

An administrative political agency with no real authority to govern, manage and verify accurately a set of obsolete rules that has done nothing but collect a pay check for themselves and the organization.

This organization continues to work behind the power curve and it is all about the money. $$$$$$$$$

 

[stllvf]

the related question is how to define a foreign player as a professional or non-professional and eligible to play college sports. the logic/ stupidity introduced in the opening thread is just as difficult to explain. (my often repeated story of many decades ago Clemson purchased a soccer team from their owner/politican/alledged warlord and the next year won the NCAA championship).

My belief is that most power-4 recognize that all decisions include possible litigation, judges ruling based on their interpretation of the LAW. I would suggest boarders would have many different interpretation of what constitutes "eligibility" and probably what is the definition of a "college student - who plays a major sport."

Again, not new - UT once had a star HS basketball player who played the first semester as a freshman this was dismissed - flunked all courses - could not read and even the athletic powers could not protect him as a "college student - who plays a major sport" that can be and is being done now at many power schools

 

[savannahfan]

SO,,,,, who gives a dam-!! I say now and have for years "let the athletic foreigners stay foreign" !!! How many American kids get left out of sports who may have made superstars are victims of these foreigners? If they are coming as "paying" students for the learning experience, then let them come and pay,,, not play!!!

 

[feathersax]

N.C.A.A.=Noob Clowns Always Artbitrarty

 

[1reVOLver]

SO,,,,, who gives a dam-!! I say now and have for years "let the athletic foreigners stay foreign" !!! How many American kids get left out of sports who may have made superstars are victims of these foreigners? If they are coming as "paying" students for the learning experience, then let them come and pay,,, not play!!!

Read the warning label: You can get permanently cross-eyed from excessive navel gazing. Unless you are “pure” Native American, you've got immigrant ancestors.

I say now and have for years "let the narrow minded look through the keyhole with both eyes at once, astonished how much world is upstairs from Momma's dank basement !!!”

 

[BruisedOrange]

Let me offer a different approach.

When people with power, money, or influence do stupid things with predictably stupid consequences... it usually isn't stupid--it's just for someone's benefit other than the participants or the general public. In case you haven't noticed, the people who eventually walk away with the money, seldom object to being called "stupid" by the public.

I'd like to hear smarter brains than mine game this one out.

Who actually benefit$ from such a requirement? Or, who benefit$ from what happens after the requirement is challenged and overturned in court?

 

[BruisedOrange]

Here's a thought experiment to start with:

How many recent headscratchers (by the NCAA, by courts, by Danny's on-campus building investments) become logical IF the powers-that-be anticipate that in a handfull of years, universities are going to cease to exist as we've known them with thousands of studets enrolled and most attending on campus?

If AI comes to fruition as expected, then carrying around learned knowledge in your head ceases to have any market value. With a few exceptions, learning from professors ceases to be a model for "higher" education. Universities, even as research centers, will need fewer students to operate those programs. The current economic model for the existence of universities and colleges would cease to exist.

I'm not predicting. I've just been playing out that model in my head for a year or so, and from that future perspective a lot of stupid moves suddenly make logical sense.

 

[1reVOLver]

Here's a thought experiment to start with:

How many recent headscratchers (by the NCAA, by courts, by Danny's on-campus building investments) become logical IF the powers-that-be anticipate that in a handfull of years, universities are going to cease to exist as we've known them with thousands of studets enrolled and most attending on campus?

If AI comes to fruition as expected, then carrying around learned knowledge in your head ceases to have any market value. With a few exceptions, learning from professors ceases to be a model for "higher" education. Universities, even as research centers, will need fewer students to operate those programs. The current economic model for the existence of universities and colleges would cease to exist.

I'm not predicting. I've just been playing out that model in my head for a year or so, and from that future perspective a lot of stupid moves suddenly make logical sense.

Thanks for that provocative rumination.

 

[madtownvol]

Here's a thought experiment to start with:

How many recent headscratchers (by the NCAA, by courts, by Danny's on-campus building investments) become logical IF the powers-that-be anticipate that in a handfull of years, universities are going to cease to exist as we've known them with thousands of studets enrolled and most attending on campus?

If AI comes to fruition as expected, then carrying around learned knowledge in your head ceases to have any market value. With a few exceptions, learning from professors ceases to be a model for "higher" education. Universities, even as research centers, will need fewer students to operate those programs. The current economic model for the existence of universities and colleges would cease to exist.

I'm not predicting. I've just been playing out that model in my head for a year or so, and from that future perspective a lot of stupid moves suddenly make logical sense.

I am not that this specific decision by the NCAA is based on such long-run considerations but I think you are 100% correct that AI is having and will have a very disruptive effect on higher education as we know it.

In my view, higher ed is like the music industry right went Napster start enabling people to download music for free.

The first big disruption we we will see is happening right now. AI is wiping out many of the entry level jobs for college grads in business, computer sciences and other fields. The cost-benefit calculation of a college degree is skewing increasingly negative as a result.

Oddly enough, AI is great at performing rote and repetitious skills and that has been what Universities have been emphasizing more and more over the past 20 years. Graduates have tangible skills, such courses are easy to standardize, teach, and grade. Impractical stuff, like the humanities and so have been taking huge hits, in order to teach students how to manage resource flows using spreadsheets and the like.

Some institutions are trying to pivot back to orienting their curriculum back to critical, strategic and innovative thinking "skills" but in 3 to 5 (or sooner), AI will be able to do that very well and very fast as well. Then what?

As with the music industry, there is going to be an industry shakeout.

 

[1reVOLver]

Oddly enough, AI is great at performing rote and repetitious skills and that has been what Universities have been emphasizing more and more over the past 20 years. Graduates have tangible skills, such courses are easy to standardize, teach, and grade. Impractical stuff, like the humanities and so have been taking huge hits, in order to teach students how to manage resource flows using spreadsheets and the like.

Recently read a good in-depth interview with a prof. of Phil. who had started and run a highly successful “great books” undergrad program modeled loosely on the St. Johns Annapolis university program. It was at a private small/medium university in Tulsa.
Most enthusiastic students were majoring in traditional, career directed fields. Totally apolitical. Huge success story for classical humanities education, much beloved of Conservatives.
Change of Admin, leader and all faculty dismissed w/o cause or explanation to turn uni into pure votech.

That seems to be where “higher ed” is going, pushed, pulled, propelled and dragged by ever more capable pattern recognition software. Who will be left to think and feel? Ir are those no longer attributes with perceived value? When I wrote my first computer
program on a General Electric mainframe-timeshare batch process, in Sept. of 1965 things looked a tad different.

This University Built an Honors College — and Then Destroyed It

A conversation with Jennifer Frey about liberal education and the future of the university

www.honest-broker.com

 

[RetroVol]

In my view, higher ed is like the music industry right went Napster start enabling people to download music for free.

Scott Borchetta, CEO of Big Machines Records and the name behind MTSU's Scott Borchetta College of Media and Entertainment gave the commencement address at MTSU this spring. With 40 years in the music industry, he was around for Napster, and came out of it with the message to his artists, even after Napster failed, that streaming is here and the goal was to deal with it. He told the graduates, "We are the agents of change. We are next." But, when he said, "AI is re-writing production as we sit here," he got booed (some, not a lot, though you wouldn't know that from the headline). HE said, "Deal with it. It is a tool. You can hear me now or pay me later. It's a tool. Make it work for you." Then went on to say that the most valuable commodity is great content, great storytelling. He encouraged them to trust in and build their judgment, their taste.

 

[volbeast33]

Read this good summary before considering self-harm. The damage may be limited, and will certainly be making money for the
lawyers.

New NCAA Eligibility Requirements Could Impact Top International Players

The guidance issued this month largely surrounds compensation and professional team involvement, but how it will be enforced is unclear.

www.si.com

In short, the boffins of the NCAA, having failed to fix reffing or the catastrophic NIL and revenue sharing mess (Death to Amateurism!),
have decided that they know just precisely how much a European kid can earn before hopping across the pond to the good ole US of A where the sky’s the bloody limit.

Based on historical research—read the newspapers, beyond just the funnies—I give you most heartfelt assurances that they cannot spell, let alone define, PPP. Stands for Purchasing Power Parity, and contributes heavily to foreign exchange rates. So, for example, a big old Victorian house up coast in @Rooster1 territory—potatoes and not very many people—might go for say $275k, while a very similar home in Cornwall, England, Great Britain, might cost £1.5 million, or roughly $1.85 million USD. But, and it’s a biggie, UK wages are much, much higher in local currency, so the same sort of
workers who can buy the Maine home with US wages can afford the mortgage on the Brit heap with British wages.
Point is, the Charlie Bakers haven’t a clue about this stuff. They toss out a number, say €51,000 per annum, and if a kid got a euro more Kim Mulkey can’t buy them.

1. Dumb.
2. Invites litigation for, amongst other things, restraint of trade,
3. cost to monitor?
4. appeals process?
5. Abso-plucking-lutely invites and begs for retaliation by Euro leagues vs. American players.

Oh, did I mention how stupid it is?

The NCAA is struggling to stop what teams like LSU are trying to do.

 

[BruisedOrange]

Recently read a good in-depth interview with a prof. of Phil. who had started and run a highly successful “great books” undergrad program modeled loosely on the St. Johns Annapolis university program. It was at a private small/medium university in Tulsa.
Most enthusiastic students were majoring in traditional, career directed fields. Totally apolitical. Huge success story for classical humanities education, much beloved of Conservatives.
Change of Admin, leader and all faculty dismissed w/o cause or explanation to turn uni into pure votech.

That seems to be where “higher ed” is going, pushed, pulled, propelled and dragged by ever more capable pattern recognition software. Who will be left to think and feel? Ir are those no longer attributes with perceived value? When I wrote my first computer
program on a General Electric mainframe-timeshare batch process, in Sept. of 1965 things looked a tad different.

This University Built an Honors College — and Then Destroyed It

A conversation with Jennifer Frey about liberal education and the future of the university

www.honest-broker.com

The rest of my earthly life will be spent supporting a small (350, pre-K-12th) Christian Classical school in middle Tennessee. They teach kids how to think, not what to think, progressing from Grammar to Logic and finally Rhetoric.

We're monitoring graduates closely to see if we are well-preparing these kids for this coming new age. They've certainly been successful in the current era. Their Mock Trial teams have won the National Championship once, and placed 3rd twice. Past graduates include doctors and architects, but many recent grads have gone straight into trade schools or apprenticeships. They say they already know how to research and learn "college stuff" on their own, so they've opted to start earning money now so they can start having families.

We will see if classical education prepares them for career success. But for sure--you'd love to have these kids as your neighbors, your grandchildren's teachers, or your in-laws!

 

[JustFunnN'Orange]

The rest of my earthly life will be spent supporting a small (350, pre-K-12th) Christian Classical school in middle Tennessee. They teach kids how to think, not what to think, progressing from Grammar to Logic and finally Rhetoric.

We're monitoring graduates closely to see if we are well-preparing these kids for this coming new age. They've certainly been successful in the current era. Their Mock Trial teams have won the National Championship once, and placed 3rd twice. Past graduates include doctors and architects, but many recent grads have gone straight into trade schools or apprenticeships. They say they already know how to research and learn "college stuff" on their own, so they've opted to start earning money now so they can start having families.

We will see if classical education prepares them for career success. But for sure--you'd love to have these kids as your neighbors, your grandchildren's teachers, or your in-laws!

Could you be more specific on......at least the location/city??

 

[BruisedOrange]

Could you be more specific on......at least the location/city??

With so many good private schools in Tennessee, I didn't want to promote just one, but here's a link to "mine" in Maury County.

Also FWIW, just this morning Epoch Times has an article on the ten-fold growth of Classical schools over the past 16 years.

 

[madtownvol]

Scott Borchetta, CEO of Big Machines Records and the name behind MTSU's Scott Borchetta College of Media and Entertainment gave the commencement address at MTSU this spring. With 40 years in the music industry, he was around for Napster, and came out of it with the message to his artists, even after Napster failed, that streaming is here and the goal was to deal with it. He told the graduates, "We are the agents of change. We are next." But, when he said, "AI is re-writing production as we sit here," he got booed (some, not a lot, though you wouldn't know that from the headline). HE said, "Deal with it. It is a tool. You can hear me now or pay me later. It's a tool. Make it work for you." Then went on to say that the most valuable commodity is great content, great storytelling. He encouraged them to trust in and build their judgment, their taste.

I get why a new class of college grads would boo this message. It frames the problem as their failure to "adapt", but AI is more than a tool.

A quick analogy. My Undergraduate days overlapped with the mainstreaming of personal computers so I went from writing term papers on a typewriter as a freshman to using a first generation word processing program as a junior. Now those early WP tools were not user friendly but once you learned their quirks, they made life much easier. But, they could not write the paper for you. AI can and its getting more and more proficient at those kind of higher intellectual tasks. AI generated bands and songs have topped the Spotify play list.

So kids today understand that AI is both a tool (which they generally do know how to use) and a rapidly improving competitor that is getting better and better at story telling and creating content.

AI is not just a tool which takes over blue collar work (as per robotics) but it also very capable of higher order intellectual and creative work.

Perhaps we are in a transition period, where AI is killing some outmoded jobs but will create many more news of kinds of jobs (as the did the industrial and digital revolutions) but I think this AI revolution may prove to be qualitatively different in its effects.

 

[brittannica]

I get why a new class of college grads would boo this message. It frames the problem as their failure to "adapt", but AI is more than a tool.

A quick analogy. My Undergraduate days overlapped with the mainstreaming of personal computers so I went from writing term papers on a typewriter as a freshman to using a first generation word processing program as a junior. Now those early WP tools were not user friendly but once you learned their quirks, they made life much easier. But, they could not write the paper for you. AI can and its getting more and more proficient at those kind of higher intellectual tasks. AI generated bands and songs have topped the Spotify play list.

So kids today understand that AI is both a tool (which they generally do know how to use) and a rapidly improving competitor that is getting better and better at story telling and creating content.

AI is not just a tool which takes over blue collar work (as per robotics) but it also very capable of higher order intellectual and creative work.

Perhaps we are in a transition period, where AI is killing some outmoded jobs but will create many more news of kinds of jobs (as the did the industrial and digital revolutions) but I think this AI revolution may prove to be qualitatively different in its effects.

Kids today also have to live with the environmental repercussions of increasing AI reliance. Anecdotally I've actually found many of my students are increasingly eager to get away from technology. They don't appreciate the surveillance state, and many have suffered negative mental health consequences from social media.

 

[BruisedOrange]

I get why a new class of college grads would boo this message. It frames the problem as their failure to "adapt", but AI is more than a tool.

A quick analogy. My Undergraduate days overlapped with the mainstreaming of personal computers so I went from writing term papers on a typewriter as a freshman to using a first generation word processing program as a junior. Now those early WP tools were not user friendly but once you learned their quirks, they made life much easier. But, they could not write the paper for you. AI can and its getting more and more proficient at those kind of higher intellectual tasks. AI generated bands and songs have topped the Spotify play list.

So kids today understand that AI is both a tool (which they generally do know how to use) and a rapidly improving competitor that is getting better and better at story telling and creating content.

AI is not just a tool which takes over blue collar work (as per robotics) but it also very capable of higher order intellectual and creative work.

Perhaps we are in a transition period, where AI is killing some outmoded jobs but will create many more news of kinds of jobs (as the did the industrial and digital revolutions) but I think this AI revolution may prove to be qualitatively different in its effects.

Maybe the thread has already been hijacked by my (intended only as a possible) hypothesis for the mischief surrounding college sports... but I'll post this as a convenient off ramp for exploring more thoughtful takes on the future of higher education and AI.

This 2-3x weekly podcast features a regular panel of four AI insiders from different fields, very intelligent, entrepreneurally invested, and by intent offering the optimistic view of AI's future. In the segment I'm recommending below, they are responding to the booing of commencement guest speakers who are AI leaders. They offer a range of interesting takes similar to what several have posted here.

Cue to 51:40 - 105:45