NCAA Investigation - 6 areas

#102
#102
utmba93 said:
You need to learn more about digital technology, especially pre-paid phones before you start beating your chest too much.

Ask a spook, if you know one well-enough.
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Just finished talking to a friend in Houston's FBI office and he's willing to put some money down and call your bluff. Prepaid phones are not traceable when paid for in cash. He said if you are interested call your senator and have him explain legislation that W tried to get pushed for persons to have to register for any cell phone but Oprahbama shut it down.
Sounds as though your pride stands in the way of logic.
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#103
#103
Maybe there was some lack of control within the AD office which could hurt. None of these 6 issues is a surprise, as we knew they had been self reported to the NCAA as I recall. No internal sanctions were applied which could hurt. The one thing that bothers me the most are the coaches who cause these violations, then move on to another school, usually aren't punished. Their former school is. Like others have said, if we get punished, I hope it doesn't drag out. I'd rather take the hit early while we're already down a bit. Of course, if we loose scholorships, depending on how many for how long, the rebuilding job is made more difficult than it already is.
 
#104
#104
I very rarely post here, but will this once. I realize that this is your home, and I am not 'trolling'. This is simply a post from one football fan to others.

These few things I know are as certain as death and taxes regarding NCAA investigations:

1) The NCAA never simply goes away.
2) Once on their radar, you will never be off again. Your compliance staff just became exponentially more important.
3) There is no such thing as a little violation.
4) Every fan from every other team (seemingly) will deride your school as the biggest cheat in the universe. You will learn to deal with it. It will become fuel.
5) The bandwagon will get empty quickly, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
6) The majority of sportswriters are pig-headed hacks.
7) The majority of fans aren't much better.
8) The long haul can get pretty long at times.
9) The NCAA really doesn't like the SEC, and neither does much of the press. That's not just perception, it's reality. When your team becomes the whipping boy for the conference in the eyes of the national press, it becomes painful reality. You will learn to deal with it. It will become fuel.
10) No one can stop time. Tomorrow will come. This will only serve to separate the true fan from the pretender.

Good luck, Vols. It's a long road.

See you in October.
 
#105
#105
bamachile said:
I very rarely post here, but will this once. I realize that this is your home, and I am not 'trolling'. This is simply a post from one football fan to others.

These few things I know are as certain as death and taxes regarding NCAA investigations:

1) The NCAA never simply goes away.
2) Once on their radar, you will never be off again. Your compliance staff just became exponentially more important.
3) There is no such thing as a little violation.
4) Every fan from every other team (seemingly) will deride your school as the biggest cheat in the universe. You will learn to deal with it. It will become fuel.
5) The bandwagon will get empty quickly, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
6) The majority of sportswriters are pig-headed hacks.
7) The majority of fans aren't much better.
8) The long haul can get pretty long at times.
9) The NCAA really doesn't like the SEC, and neither does much of the press. That's not just perception, it's reality. When your team becomes the whipping boy for the conference in the eyes of the national press, it becomes painful reality. You will learn to deal with it. It will become fuel.
10) No one can stop time. Tomorrow will come. This will only serve to separate the true fan from the pretender.

Good luck, Vols. It's a long road.

See you in October.
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Paranoia is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state.
 
#106
#106
onevol74 said:
Paranoia is a thought process heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory beliefs concerning a perceived threat towards oneself. Historically, this characterization was used to describe any delusional state.
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*chuckle*
No, everyone isn't against you when you go through the grinder. It certainly feels that way at times, though, and the next few months will probably get more frustrating for you guys than some realize right now. Again, good luck.
 
#107
#107
kptvol said:
I'd think as far as Bryce Brown is concerned it would be tough to justify a harsh punishment for a school in that situation. Kiffin and Bryce are both gone.
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yeah, it's not like there's precedents set where shools are punished even after players/coaches are gone, i mean Pete Carroll is toast, and at USC everything's rosy.
 
#108
#108
jakez4ut said:
yeah, it's not like there's precedents set where shools are punished even after players/coaches are gone, i mean Pete Carroll is toast, and at USC everything's rosy.
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Pete Carroll is gone, but at the time the sentence was handed out, three of his top assistants were there. Also, they'd just had a pretty big basketball scandal. I didn't say it UT couldn't receive similar punishment, but it would be tough to justify. Also, Reggie Bush was a huge contributor on a team that won 2 National Championships and played for another. Bryce Brown got a few carries as the backup for a 7-6 team that had virtually no impact on the national landscape and then left right after the staff in question departed.
 
#109
#109
all im saying is it wouldn't be tough at all for the NCAA to justify anything when it comes to handing out punishment.
 
#110
#110
jakez4ut said:
all im saying is it wouldn't be tough at all for the NCAA to justify anything when it comes to handing out punishment.
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I would think it would depend on the severity of the issue and if there is a pattern. I honestly don't see the NCAA coming down too hard about this stuff. At the most we might lose a few scholarships.
 
#111
#111
davethevol said:
I would think it would depend on the severity of the issue and if there is a pattern. I honestly don't see the NCAA coming down too hard about this stuff. At the most we might lose a few scholarships.
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the punishment type is not being debated, it's whether or not the NCAA can/will/should justify punishing a program after the player and coaches in violation are gone.
 
#112
#112
kptvol said:
I'd think as far as Bryce Brown is concerned it would be tough to justify a harsh punishment for a school in that situation. Kiffin and Bryce are both gone.
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I hate to say this, but Reggie Bush & Pete Carroll were gone from USC, but USC still got hammered.
 
#113
#113
This coach is gone thing is almost always true, especially these days. Usually, the coach responsible is ousted and the school feels like that should have some sort of ameliorating effect on the sanctions. And it seems it almost never does.

If it did, then no school would ever have an incentive to monitor the staff because it could always just fire them if it went bad and say "not our fault."
 
#114
#114
lawgator1 said:
This coach is gone thing is almost always true, especially these days. Usually, the coach responsible is ousted and the school feels like that should have some sort of ameliorating effect on the sanctions. And it seems it almost never does.

If it did, then no school would ever have an incentive to monitor the staff because it could always just fire them if it went bad and say "not our fault."
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I think it's different when you talk about years of misconduct with several championships associated.
 
#115
#115
kptvol said:
I think it's different when you talk about years of misconduct with several championships associated.
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It is worse, sure. And Kiffin was only one year, that is also true.

And behind the scenes we all know everyone thinks Kiffin is a tool and so they won't have a problem in their own view figuring this is his fault.

But they can't punish Kiffin, personally, or where he is now.

That leaves one option.
 
#117
#117
kptvol said:
It leaves many options, varying on severity. And that's only if they care to really dig, and manage to find something regarding Bryce.
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I didn't mean in terms of the array of possible sanctions, if any. I just meant only one target for them if they go that route.

I am most curious about the hostess issue. You know, for awhile, it will be embarrassing if there is something there. But that could be followed shortly by UT getting an interesting reputation.

Do I foresee a "Tennessee Hostess" spread in Playboy down the road? (So to speak)
 
#118
#118
lawgator1 said:
I didn't mean in terms of the array of possible sanctions, if any. I just meant only one target for them if they go that route.

I am most curious about the hostess issue. You know, for awhile, it will be embarrassing if there is something there. But that could be followed shortly by UT getting an interesting reputation.
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I can't see any possible way they could gain any info on the hostess thing that they haven't already gathered.
 
#119
#119
kptvol said:
I can't see any possible way they could gain any info on the hostess thing that they haven't already gathered.
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Yeah, that made me wonder, too. I suppose its possible that it occurred more frequently than previously indicated, but more likely its a question of who knew about it or even how it got funded, i.e. is it linked to the school, the football team, boosters, etc.

When I was an undergrad at Florida they had the "Gator Getters," who were some hot coeds. Their job was to escort the prospective players around campus, show them the sights.

Sure.
 
#120
#120
True, this could be a witch hunt for our previous coach and his p.a.l., but for what reason? There is no 'AA rule in place to allow punishment of them. The punishment would be directed at us. However, it could be a possibility they(the 'AA) are trying to establish a reason to pen a new rule(a much needed new rule) that will allow them to punish/fine coaches who are repeat offenders such as Calipari, etc.
 
#121
#121
I think the NCAA will take some type of action against UT. That said, everything I've heard and read leads me to believe that Kiffin, Orgeron, and crew are the real targets, and will receive the harshest penalties. I think Reaves is the real wildcard here. I'm fairly frightened about what he'll tell the NCAA.
 
#122
#122
exotic_vols said:
It doesn't matter. If the allegations were found out to be true, the Tennessee program would be the one that bears the punishment, not the former coach. Whether or not NCAA would put some "restrictions" on the former coach would remain to be seen.
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Haven't we been punished enough by the whole Kiffin incident. Please NCAA have mercy on us. If anything come s of all of this, it could really set the program back even more than we are now and not allow us to get back in 5 or 10 years.
 
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