NCAA Investigation - 6 areas

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#26
He also said that he has been told that chances are Hammy will be gone after the govenors race in November. And that 2 big names around the program have already made it clear.
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#27
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BIG GUY said:
ever think thats why bb wanted to transfer because maybe he knew something about the ncaa investigation?
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All indications are that BB wanted to stay at Tennessee, but his dad wanted the transfer. Now with Dooley denying the release you can imagine BB's dad isn't happy with us.
 
#28
#28
Is #3 a new rule? Meat Market discussed Orgeron taping prospects and Feldman said there was no rule against it. If Ole Miss did it for 3 or 4 years and didn't get in trouble how is UT in trouble for it now?
 
#29
#29
Hopefully nothing will come of this crap....Im sure all the Kiffin lovers don't mind because of the "anytime we're in the news is good for the program" sh*t.....but who knows...it wouldn't surprise me if we got in some kind of trouble over it
 
#31
#31
I could see BB's dad stirring this pot since DD denied the release. Whether there are violations or not, he figures he hurts us just from the investigation's appearance with future prospects.

GO VOLS!!
 
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coach799 said:
I could see BB's dad stirring this pot since DD denied the release. Whether there are violations or not, he figures he hurts us just from the investigation's appearance with future prospects.

GO VOLS!!
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If Mr. Brown wants to make his son ineligible, that's a great idea.
 
#34
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mtvols said:
Heard on Big Orange Sunday today.

The LOI will be received and it will cover these 6 areas:

1. Hostessgate.
2. Violations with the 20 hour and 10 hour rule.
3. Video taping of prospects on visits to a prospects high school. This is a violation if the UT coaches do this, but the high school can and then send the schools the tape.
4. Phone calls during dead periods.
5. The Bryce Brown recruitment.
6. Monte Kiffin watching team workouts.

They were also saying that B. Pearl/Basketball is not happy about the NCAA and the LOI.
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#4 definitely happened but it was done on prepaid cell phones bought from Walmart in cash. No way that can be proved.
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#35
#35
It's funny to read all you guys ripping Kiffhole. Lat year, anyone who criticized him was ridiculed as being either too old or a Fulmerite. I'm neither but it humerous to see you former Kiffhole lovers now banging on him for his marketing/recruiting prowess.
 
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Volinnooga said:
It's funny to read all you guys ripping Kiffhole. Lat year, anyone who criticized him was ridiculed as being either too old or a Fulmerite. I'm neither but it humerous to see you former Kiffhole lovers now banging on him for his marketing/recruiting prowess.
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Cool story bro.
 
#37
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Yankee_Vol said:
Hopefully nothing will come of this crap....Im sure all the Kiffin lovers don't mind because of the "anytime we're in the news is good for the program" sh*t.....but who knows...it wouldn't surprise me if we got in some kind of trouble over it
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Speaking of that....where are all of the kiffin lovers since this all came to light, I have not seen any of them.
 
#38
#38
vol81 said:
Hamilton's job hangs in the balance. IF something comes of this, all because of Kiffin's BS, then Mike's will be the head that rolls. So he will be fighting for his job on this one. None of the charges are anything "new" so IF Hammy underestimated and did not react according to what the NCAA determines the "facts" to be, then a lack of Institutional Control finding is all on Hamilton, and he will be gone gone gone. So with all that said, I dont think he would risk his future to protect Lame and Company, so therefore I dont expect much to come out of all this.
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Some say Hamilton wasn't aware of the stuff Kiffin was doing. If not, that pretty much defines a lack of control. The AA doesn't have a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy for the relationship between coaches and their AD's. It was his job to know.

If he knew and did nothing privately (we know he did nothing publicly such as accepting responsibility and self-imposing penalties for the former staff's alleged transgressions), then UT will be held accountable.

Either way, unaware or unresponsive, I don't see how Hamilton can duck this one. Unfortunately, we can't blame Kiffin (or Fulmer) for not doing Hamilton's job.

The program is already down. We didn't pay players in cash as USC did, but the hostessgate thing is precisely the type of stuff the NCAA wants to stop. They can't blame USC for that just because Kiffin is there.

Since UT hasn't had the courage to rid itself of an incompetent AD, the NCAA will provide one more reason to reconsider whether there really is a lack of institutional control.

It's probably as good of a time as any to get hit with sanctions. The program is in the dumps. If CDD isn't a miracle worker capable of bringing it back, then by time he's replaced, at least, we'll have someone else making the hiring decision.
 
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bamacheats said:
#4 definitely happened but it was done on prepaid cell phones bought from Walmart in cash. No way that can be proved.
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Here's one way... I'm sure there are others...

These are the only states that require two-way notification of recorded phone conversations:
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Massachusetts
Maryland
Michigan
Montana
New Hampshire
Pennsylvania
Washington

There are quite a few UT recruits who reside in other states and who also have phone records.
 
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#41
Hopefully, and I think this is the case, the NCAA is after kiffin and ogre, not UT. Depending on their actual findings, I believe any sanctions on UT will be light. "Lack of institutional control" is a very unlikely finding, because that is an infraction that normally takes place over an extended period of time, significantly more that the 13 months kiffin was here.

On the other hand, if they find serious violations committed by kiffin and ogre, the NCAA will get indirect satisfaction and their "pound of flesh". It is highly probably that Pat Haden, the new USC AD, would immediately fire both kiffin and ogre, along with any other coaches involved that kiffin took with him from UT. USC cannot afford any further blemishes on their reputation, and if necessary, the NCAA would probably let it be known through private channels that kiffin and his minions needed to be gone.

If all of this were to come down, kiffin, ogre, and any others involved would probably become unemployable in the college game, probably for the rest of their careers.

I think that is what the NCAA would most like to see, and heavy sanctions against UT are not their goal.

mlsoft
 
#42
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mlsoft said:
Hopefully, and I think this is the case, the NCAA is after kiffin and ogre, not UT. Depending on their actual findings, I believe any sanctions on UT will be light. "Lack of institutional control" is a very unlikely finding, because that is an infraction that normally takes place over an extended period of time, significantly more that the 13 months kiffin was here.

On the other hand, if they find serious violations committed by kiffin and ogre, the NCAA will get indirect satisfaction and their "pound of flesh". It is highly probably that Pat Haden, the new USC AD, would immediately fire both kiffin and ogre, along with any other coaches involved that kiffin took with him from UT. USC cannot afford any further blemishes on their reputation, and if necessary, the NCAA would probably let it be known through private channels that kiffin and his minions needed to be gone.

If all of this were to come down, kiffin, ogre, and any others involved would probably become unemployable in the college game, probably for the rest of their careers.

I think that is what the NCAA would most like to see, and heavy sanctions against UT are not their goal.

mlsoft
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Good post.

I'm sure they'd like to nail CLK and O, but they can't blame USC for transgressions that occurred at UT. UT will need to take a hit for Haden to make his case to fire CLK and O.

We're mostly just a pawn in that game, but pawns are traded to capture better pieces with great regularity.

I also think they'll find more stuff when they dig into the six you provided (speculation... as I don't want to confuse anyone).
 
#43
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mlsoft said:
On the other hand, if they find serious violations committed by kiffin and ogre, the NCAA will get indirect satisfaction and their "pound of flesh". It is highly probably that Pat Haden, the new USC AD, would immediately fire both kiffin and ogre, along with any other coaches involved that kiffin took with him from UT. USC cannot afford any further blemishes on their reputation, and if necessary, the NCAA would probably let it be known through private channels that kiffin and his minions needed to be gone.
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JMO....Don't see Haden firing Kiffin and co. If he does then who would take that job. I mean USC is in for some tough, tough and I mean TOUGH years. When there is light at the end of the tunnel for USC after a couple of years after probation then he fires Kiffin and co.
 
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VolGal423 said:
What?
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A lot of the current staff are same staff that was here under Kiffen. Like Lance Thompson and Jim Chaney. Chaney was in charge of Offense, he's mixed up the Brown recruitment. Any coincidence Alabama cut ties with Lance Thompson after violations while he was there? The current staff is just as mixed up in this as the former staff. If TN wants to disassociate itself from Kiffen's problems then Hammy should have have cut all ties. The NCAA sees right through this, just ask USC. Changing a head coach but keeping the same people don't work with the NCAA.
 
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