NCAA and Madden, What we Know Now

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Guys here is the latest news on both games from
Madden 08 & NCAA Football 08 - Maddenmania.com
it's a great site i might add i have been a member since 2001




Madden 08 and NCAA 08 are both drawing nearer each day and there has been a ton of info released over the past couple of weeks. I'm going to use my usual space to just review what we know about both games as of this writing.
The first major change to each game is the new gameplay engine EA has devised for both NCAA and Madden. The engine features branching, dynamic, interruptible animations which means you will never no longer be stuck in an animation while a defender comes in to assist (meaning gang-tackles). In many Madden previews we have learned that up to 4 players can be involved in tackles this year with the new engine. Since both games have been reported to be using the same engine, you can surely bet we will probably definitely be getting a new experience with both Madden and NCAA on the field.
Speaking of on the field, Madden looks to have gone back to the basics this year. With the new engine, the Madden team has been able to add a lot of missing features which we have been clamoring for since we knew there was going to be a next-gen Madden. One of those is midair collisions, which means your receivers had better have eyes in the back of their head because defenders are going to be headhunting this year. However, the big-time receivers are going to play more like them and when you see guys getting hit in traffic you'll also see the big playmakers doing just that and making defenders look silly as you make an impressive catch. Hurdles have made it back in the game as well, as has the new hit stick (featured in BOTH games). You can hurdle players if you like, especially if they are trying to tackle low and they whiff. However, if you screw up your timing or if they go high, your player is going to be on the receiving end of a vicious hit.
And as for the battle in the trenches? Expect NCAA AND Madden to be vastly improved. EA has enlisted an engineer that played offensive line in College and Pro football to revamp the play in the trenches in their games. What we get is actual double teams, stretch blocking and linemen blocking on the second level. This means you're going to get a much more realistic running game (and passing game for that matter). Also this year, you won't be running in place behind a lineman anymore as one of two things will occur. If you are a bigger back, the pile will be pushed forward and if you are a smaller back you will hesitate before bouncing outside. This is an automatic and context sensitive movement but it is better than being stuck at the line of scrimmage for sure.
And fatigue is back in the game (should we really ever have had to say that?) and looks to be a bigger factor than ever. If your used to 73 degrees and sunshine but you are playing in 23 degrees and ice or vice versa, you would normally not be able to play at your top level. That was what the Madden developers were thinking when implementing the new fatigue system. Of course, the normal players tiring from running around everywhere will be apparent too. Michael Vick scramblers beware, you're not gonna be able to do it as much this year without winding poor Mr. Vick and sending him to the sideline for a few plays. And the biggest part of the whole new fatigue system is that you won't see 11 players walking back to the huddle the same way every play. Expect them to be huffing and puffing while stumbling back to the huddle if they are tired. And running hail mary after hail mary? Fuhgetaboutit, as your wideouts might declare a strike if they are forced to run that far downfield and then back again to the huddle.
The AI is improved (like we hear every year!) but the focus is on making star players play like star players and inconsistent players play like inconsistent players. Star Corners will shut down half of a football field and EA says you should fear star cornerbacks this year because they are going to make your life tough at times. In fact, the defensive coverages are being rewritten to try to eliminate money plays such as deep balls and corner routes. Matchups should play a huge role in the game, as taller receivers should have an advantage on small DBs. The chess match should be in full session this season if EA has their say, which I think is a good thing. Oh and as far as Madden, expect owner mode, defensive hot routes and classic rosters to remake their appearance again this season.
As far as NCAA and its dynasty mode, we already have a few details of the huge revamp EA is planning for the feature. With the leadership control feature, your program will progress more as you develop more and better leaders in your program. Also, a new attribute is inherited into your career and that's coach integrity. This year you are going to make promises to players while in recruiting and if you deliver on those promises your players are going to be happy, your coach integrity will rise and you will see your program getting better and better recruits. However, promise playing time to that 5-star Halfback but opt to use your senior instead and you can surely bet that you won't have a 5-star halfback on campus the next year. EA has said this is only the beginning of the changes within recruiting. And don't forget about the new prospect search feature, which will allow you to search for all DEs in Georgia that run a 4.6 40. This just looks to be a small sampling of the future of dynasty mode this year.
One other thing to look for in NCAA is the sim to finish feature, which will allow you to simulate a drive, quarter, half or game while playing to speed up things. This is personally one of my biggest wants for NCAA for a long time, as I have always wanted to mercifully end beat downs (going either way for me) so I could get on with more exciting stuff. And those of you wanting your teams stadium in the game? There will be 90 university stadiums in the game with 115 total (adding bowl games) to hopefully improve the experience that is NCAA football. You will also be able to replay every play of your games at anytime (as long as you keep the quarter lengths short) and then make videos with them, which should be an interesting feature for dynasty folks...especially if you can export the movies into a format that is usable on the web.
There are still plenty of things that have not been fully hit upon as of yet, but expect more and more NCAA and Madden info to be released in the coming weeks and you can expect MaddenMania to be on top of things so stay tuned!
 
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sweet. the lack of gang tackles has been needed for years. you get tired of seing the same animations over and over again.
 
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Are they ever going to fix the rediculous computer, for lack of a better word, "gayness."

I mean I'm up 24-7 in the 4th. And my qb/rb/wrs proceed to fumble 4 times in a row. My o-line quits blocking and I'm sacked literally before I can throw a pass. My defense will not cover, and their rb's break 6tackles every play until they tie or win.

Or another scenario. It always seems like weak teams play unrealistically well when facing me in a dynasty. I'm using Tennessee(of course) and games against Florida or LSU or top notch ooc teams are no big deal. But when I play someone like Memphis or Air Force, it is impossible to run, no wr's are open, and I cannot move the ball.

Or like what happened while playing with a buddy. We played a dynasty on NCAA 07 XBox 360 and we play as each other's opponents. So in his opener against USC he wins like 52-7. And I'm better than he is. He didn't run the ball once. He couldn't throw an incomplete pass if he tried. He was like 19-21 for 595 yards and 7 tds. Meanwhile I'm running nickel, dime, man, zone, blitz whatever I can try, but nothing works. His receivers always make the catch, doesn't matter if he's in 3 man coverage. While my qb threw 4 ints in the 1st quarter alone. No accuracy at all, and a couple were picks by his defensive tackles that jumped the second my qb released. After that game we realized how retarded it was so we quit playing dynasties. But it does the same playing just regular exhibition games.
 
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Are they ever going to fix the rediculous computer, for lack of a better word, "gayness."

I mean I'm up 24-7 in the 4th. And my qb/rb/wrs proceed to fumble 4 times in a row. My o-line quits blocking and I'm sacked literally before I can throw a pass. My defense will not cover, and their rb's break 6tackles every play until they tie or win.

Or another scenario. It always seems like weak teams play unrealistically well when facing me in a dynasty. I'm using Tennessee(of course) and games against Florida or LSU or top notch ooc teams are no big deal. But when I play someone like Memphis or Air Force, it is impossible to run, no wr's are open, and I cannot move the ball.

Or like what happened while playing with a buddy. We played a dynasty on NCAA 07 XBox 360 and we play as each other's opponents. So in his opener against USC he wins like 52-7. And I'm better than he is. He didn't run the ball once. He couldn't throw an incomplete pass if he tried. He was like 19-21 for 595 yards and 7 tds. Meanwhile I'm running nickel, dime, man, zone, blitz whatever I can try, but nothing works. His receivers always make the catch, doesn't matter if he's in 3 man coverage. While my qb threw 4 ints in the 1st quarter alone. No accuracy at all, and a couple were picks by his defensive tackles that jumped the second my qb released. After that game we realized how retarded it was so we quit playing dynasties. But it does the same playing just regular exhibition games.
it sounds like you just suck at the game.
 
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Are they ever going to fix the rediculous computer, for lack of a better word, "gayness."

I mean I'm up 24-7 in the 4th. And my qb/rb/wrs proceed to fumble 4 times in a row. My o-line quits blocking and I'm sacked literally before I can throw a pass. My defense will not cover, and their rb's break 6tackles every play until they tie or win.

Or another scenario. It always seems like weak teams play unrealistically well when facing me in a dynasty. I'm using Tennessee(of course) and games against Florida or LSU or top notch ooc teams are no big deal. But when I play someone like Memphis or Air Force, it is impossible to run, no wr's are open, and I cannot move the ball.

Or like what happened while playing with a buddy. We played a dynasty on NCAA 07 XBox 360 and we play as each other's opponents. So in his opener against USC he wins like 52-7. And I'm better than he is. He didn't run the ball once. He couldn't throw an incomplete pass if he tried. He was like 19-21 for 595 yards and 7 tds. Meanwhile I'm running nickel, dime, man, zone, blitz whatever I can try, but nothing works. His receivers always make the catch, doesn't matter if he's in 3 man coverage. While my qb threw 4 ints in the 1st quarter alone. No accuracy at all, and a couple were picks by his defensive tackles that jumped the second my qb released. After that game we realized how retarded it was so we quit playing dynasties. But it does the same playing just regular exhibition games.

what difficulty do you have it on?
 
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Are they ever going to fix the rediculous computer, for lack of a better word, "gayness."

I mean I'm up 24-7 in the 4th. And my qb/rb/wrs proceed to fumble 4 times in a row. My o-line quits blocking and I'm sacked literally before I can throw a pass. My defense will not cover, and their rb's break 6tackles every play until they tie or win.

Or another scenario. It always seems like weak teams play unrealistically well when facing me in a dynasty. I'm using Tennessee(of course) and games against Florida or LSU or top notch ooc teams are no big deal. But when I play someone like Memphis or Air Force, it is impossible to run, no wr's are open, and I cannot move the ball.

Or like what happened while playing with a buddy. We played a dynasty on NCAA 07 XBox 360 and we play as each other's opponents. So in his opener against USC he wins like 52-7. And I'm better than he is. He didn't run the ball once. He couldn't throw an incomplete pass if he tried. He was like 19-21 for 595 yards and 7 tds. Meanwhile I'm running nickel, dime, man, zone, blitz whatever I can try, but nothing works. His receivers always make the catch, doesn't matter if he's in 3 man coverage. While my qb threw 4 ints in the 1st quarter alone. No accuracy at all, and a couple were picks by his defensive tackles that jumped the second my qb released. After that game we realized how retarded it was so we quit playing dynasties. But it does the same playing just regular exhibition games.
i have never seen anything like that unless you just suck completely and if it was something with the game it should be fixed because they got a new gaming engine.
 
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it sounds like you just suck at the game.

I don't suck. I've played years of dynasty on every version since NCAA 99 on PS1. I usually play at All-American or Heisman difficulty although this occurs on varsity as well.

It's something I've noticed since around 02 or 03. I don't know if they try and compensate for playing against weak teams or what. But like I said before. When using a good team vs a good team, the game is fine. If I'm facing a much weaker team(computer or human controlled) then it's the most jacked up thing ever.

It's like the stats for both teams players are reversed. Their defensive ends will chase down my wr from behind when they catch the ball. When facing weaker opponents my wr usually avg around 10 drops per game. I don't mean in coverage. I mean wide open. Nobody is hitting them during or right after the catch. Just a skillet hand drop. My rb's proceed to fumble every other carry. At least 4-5 during the game. Sometimes as often as 3 posessions in a row.

Or their d-line will just run straight through my o-line. And my guys are high 90's in all their attributes. 90+ strength. 97 rb 97 pb. And they're getting killed by guys with no strength/agility/awareness. But like I said before, all of this is only when playing as a good team against a much weaker one. And there's no way that their defensive tackles jumping at the line of scrimmage and intercepting the pass right out of my qb's hands 3 times in one game isn't, for lack of a better word, gay.

If I could put a video up on youtube to show you, I would.
 
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I don't suck. I've played years of dynasty on every version since NCAA 99 on PS1. I usually play at All-American or Heisman difficulty although this occurs on varsity as well.

It's something I've noticed since around 02 or 03. I don't know if they try and compensate for playing against weak teams or what. But like I said before. When using a good team vs a good team, the game is fine. If I'm facing a much weaker team(computer or human controlled) then it's the most jacked up thing ever.

It's like the stats for both teams players are reversed. Their defensive ends will chase down my wr from behind when they catch the ball. When facing weaker opponents my wr usually avg around 10 drops per game. I don't mean in coverage. I mean wide open. Nobody is hitting them during or right after the catch. Just a skillet hand drop. My rb's proceed to fumble every other carry. At least 4-5 during the game. Sometimes as often as 3 posessions in a row.

Or their d-line will just run straight through my o-line. And my guys are high 90's in all their attributes. 90+ strength. 97 rb 97 pb. And they're getting killed by guys with no strength/agility/awareness. But like I said before, all of this is only when playing as a good team against a much weaker one. And there's no way that their defensive tackles jumping at the line of scrimmage and intercepting the pass right out of my qb's hands 3 times in one game isn't, for lack of a better word, gay.

If I could put a video up on youtube to show you, I would.
i have never had a problem like that.
 
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Um if you have been playing that long surely by now you can take control of the db or your wr and manually play offense and defense i know i can and are you mixing up your plays i cant say i have ever had that much trouble playing the game specially if you play the game realistically
 
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Um if you have been playing that long surely by now you can take control of the db or your wr and manually play offense and defense i know i can and are you mixing up your plays i cant say i have ever had that much trouble playing the game specially if you play the game realistically

Yes, I know all about manually controlling players. This isn't related to that at all. It's more like an AI problem.

The computer's d-line knocking my o-line down isn't something I can control. I can't control fumbling no matter who has the ball. QB,WR,RB it doesn't matter. If they get hit, they fumble. So it got to the point I had to dive before contact was made.

I know what you mean about playing realistically. No I don't throw hail mary's every play or run HB Direct every time I run.

A couple of my friends who play noticed the same thing. It was so bad on NCAA 07 on the 360 that we just quit playing.
 
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Do you use the spin move alot i have noticed you get stripped alot with that move....but there is fumbles and int's in this years version.
 
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I don't suck. I've played years of dynasty on every version since NCAA 99 on PS1. I usually play at All-American or Heisman difficulty although this occurs on varsity as well.

It's something I've noticed since around 02 or 03. I don't know if they try and compensate for playing against weak teams or what. But like I said before. When using a good team vs a good team, the game is fine. If I'm facing a much weaker team(computer or human controlled) then it's the most jacked up thing ever.

It's like the stats for both teams players are reversed. Their defensive ends will chase down my wr from behind when they catch the ball. When facing weaker opponents my wr usually avg around 10 drops per game. I don't mean in coverage. I mean wide open. Nobody is hitting them during or right after the catch. Just a skillet hand drop. My rb's proceed to fumble every other carry. At least 4-5 during the game. Sometimes as often as 3 posessions in a row.

Or their d-line will just run straight through my o-line. And my guys are high 90's in all their attributes. 90+ strength. 97 rb 97 pb. And they're getting killed by guys with no strength/agility/awareness. But like I said before, all of this is only when playing as a good team against a much weaker one. And there's no way that their defensive tackles jumping at the line of scrimmage and intercepting the pass right out of my qb's hands 3 times in one game isn't, for lack of a better word, gay.

If I could put a video up on youtube to show you, I would.

I play on all-american mode on a regular basis and i rarely ever have a weaker type team compete with me. I usually end up blowing them out. When the CPU does beat me it's usually Michigan or Oklahoma or a top tier team i play in a bowl game. The occasional prestigious SEC foe has done this as well. Vandy and Kentucky can sometimes give me run for my money but keep in mind i'm on like the 14th year of my dynasty and for some reason vandy starts being a top 15 team around the 8th or 9th year. At least that's how it is on the dynasty i'm on.
 
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I play on all-american mode on a regular basis and i rarely ever have a weaker type team compete with me. I usually end up blowing them out. When the CPU does beat me it's usually Michigan or Oklahoma or a top tier team i play in a bowl game. The occasional prestigious SEC foe has done this as well. Vandy and Kentucky can sometimes give me run for my money but keep in mind i'm on like the 14th year of my dynasty and for some reason vandy starts being a top 15 team around the 8th or 9th year. At least that's how it is on the dynasty i'm on.

Yes I've noticed that also. And it always seems like Akron or Toledo ends up as a top 5 team. I think in like year 20 something of my dynasty, one of them is still a top 5 team.

It got so bad one season, that I began changing my ooc schedule and just added the top team in those respective weeks. I opened against Oklahoma or Michigan every year. I'd always schedule USC. And usually Miami or another Big 10 team(I hate the Big 10 so it's fun to obliterate them).

I'm not getting blown out by weak teams. I'll usually still win, but it's extremely frustrating. Like I'm playing against a handicap because it's an inferior team. It's just rediculous though the way it happens. Almost like my guys are trying to throw the game.
 
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If you play on Heisman difficulty, there is a lot of bullcrap that happens. It seems like the D-line will alway shift before the snap to whichever direction you are running the ball, or you will fumble more frequently.
 
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I have had crap like that happen to me. I think it was the 03 version and I was playing at Miami, FL, on Heisman. I was up 42-14 at the half. My first six possessions were turnovers returned for touchdowns.

Good times!
 
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"And fatigue is back in the game (should we really ever have had to say that?) and looks to be a bigger factor than ever. If your used to 73 degrees and sunshine but you are playing in 23 degrees and ice or vice versa, you would normally not be able to play at your top level. That was what the Madden developers were thinking when implementing the new fatigue system. Of course, the normal players tiring from running around everywhere will be apparent too. Michael Vick scramblers beware, you're not gonna be able to do it as much this year without winding poor Mr. Vick and sending him to the sideline for a few plays. And the biggest part of the whole new fatigue system is that you won't see 11 players walking back to the huddle the same way every play. Expect them to be huffing and puffing while stumbling back to the huddle if they are tired. And running hail mary after hail mary? Fuhgetaboutit, as your wideouts might declare a strike if they are forced to run that far downfield and then back again to the huddle."


I like the sound of this- especially for online play. I'm tired of those hail-mary-every-play scrubbers. Running the same play every down is retarded and makes the game no fun. Bring football back to what it's supposed to be- a violent game of chess :rock:
 
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Madden and NCAA Football update: There will be updated rosters, some new crappy feature you probably won't use, and marginally improved graphics.

They just need to release ^ that as a report every year and save some hassle.
 
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